Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

Got a current different UK Countries excess deaths per population graph please?

As in the four U.K. countries, separately?

I think the ONS have done some work on excess deaths. Cumlitively for the U.K. last time I checked it was 40k+ odd, in fact I think I posted it maybe at the start of the week on here.

 

[Yaroslav]

How long have I been here. Consider yourself back home. We have quarantined partially in Kiev. And all without masks and no distance. This we have not reached the dope.On the street in a mask and gloves.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Of course, it only detects those who have a fever as a result of the virus, which is quite possibly a small proportion. All I'm saying is that it is part of a measure of things (which seem to include good hand hygiene, mask wearing and as much social distancing as practically possible) being used in Asian countries to get children back into schools, while we faff about waiting for a perfectly sterile environment that will never come until a vaccine arrives, which may be 12-18 months away. The airports are planning to use it because it's better than nothing, and if they remain shut then there won't be an aviation industry to come back to.

It's better than nothing mate, but I can't see the government recommending it, so it'll be down to individual schools. If some do it, and a reasonable percentage of children turned away then get tested positive for COVID, it might then become national policy,

But, to play devil's advocate a bit, if the percentage positive is really low, then you could end up with a situation that the people taking temperatures are potentially close up to asymptomatic kids without a fever for longer than they would otherwise be.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As said yesterday they're already considering that and before the lockdown some schools were already doing that.

The problem is that say that method catches at best 1 in 3 infections at the gate - the other two get in and it's exponential growth from that point on.

Do you think care homes haven't been doing the same thing?

All of the modelling of post-lockdown easing has very much recommended keeping the elderly and the vulnerable locked away still, and hopefully that will remain the case even as measures are eased. If no one the child comes into contact with, either at school or at home, is in that vulnerable group, then I would have thought the risks are relatively low, especially if measures are taken to mitigate the spread where possible.

In healthcare teams, there are risk assessments being done on staff, so BAME nurses are doing as much as they can virtually, but Caucasian staff are doing all of the normal work, albeit with protection equipment on. Again, you would hope the management at schools have been doing these kind of risk assessments on the faculty over the past few months.

 

[Joey66]

Who's paying you to attack China all day and every day?

It needed his intepretation skills.......

 

[Neiler]

Got a current different UK Countries excess deaths per population graph please?

This graph has the U.K. excess death rate cumulatively North of 50k, between March and the 12th of May.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's better than nothing mate, but I can't see the government recommending it, so it'll be down to individual schools. If some do it, and a reasonable percentage of children turned away then get tested positive for COVID, it might then become national policy,

But, to play devil's advocate a bit, if the percentage positive is really low, then you could end up with a situation that the people taking temperatures are potentially close up to asymptomatic kids without a fever for longer than they would otherwise be.

For sure, and as above, you would hope that if there are any staff on faculty that are identified as high risk for whatever reason, that they would be able to do their lessons remotely. Indeed, if it's the teacher remote and the pupils in a classroom then it removes any safeguarding issues as you're not peering into some kids bedroom, so just as Coursera et al stream thousands of lectures to people, then maybe that's an option if the French teacher is in the vulnerable group, whereas the English teacher who isn't could come into school.

Just seems hard to fathom how if there's sufficient will for this to happen that a solution couldn't be figured out. Society needs food so ways were figured out to make that as safe as possible (not just in stores but across the whole supply chain). Society needs hospitals to operate, so ways were figured out to keep them operating. It just seems that schools are happy to be shut for as long as possible as hurdle after hurdle are presented.

 

[zzr45]

Who's paying you to attack China all day and every day?

Is this an admission that someone’s paying you to type drivel in a similar pattern?

 

[Walken]

Rees-Mogg is right. I never thought I'd say that.
If they expect the rest of us to resume work and kids to school then MPs should too.

I don't expect anyone who isn't a key worker to, until the government has appropriote measures in place

 

[Kenshin]

His poor family, RIP

It's a sad story sure.

I just don't buy into this covid connected disease. Especially when cases don't even test positive for covid in the first place. From it travelling , it sounds like there is something else that is being passed from country to country but being ignored / loosely connected to an existing pandemic.

My two cents is that the story is being connected simply because children aren't catching covid enough to warrant a scare story. So loose connection despite lack of actual evidence creates a stir. It will never be proven to be connected either, probably swept under the carpet once covid news coverage slows down in the months ahead.

Which is scary for me because there is a disease affecting kids that noone is really talking about on its own merit.

 

[Brennan]

All of the modelling of post-lockdown easing has very much recommended keeping the elderly and the vulnerable locked away still, and hopefully that will remain the case even as measures are eased. If no one the child comes into contact with, either at school or at home, is in that vulnerable group, then I would have thought the risks are relatively low, especially if measures are taken to mitigate the spread where possible.

In healthcare teams, there are risk assessments being done on staff, so BAME nurses are doing as much as they can virtually, but Caucasian staff are doing all of the normal work, albeit with protection equipment on. Again, you would hope the management at schools have been doing these kind of risk assessments on the faculty over the past few months.

This has had no impact on the staffing in two of the most hard hit Covid hospitals in Hertfordshire.

In London most nurses are BAME.

It’s a nice soundbite but I’m sceptical it is actually changing anything.

 

[zzr45]

It's a sad story sure.

I just don't buy into this covid connected disease. Especially when cases don't even test positive for covid in the first place. From it travelling , it sounds like there is something else that is being passed from country to country but being ignored / loosely connected to an existing pandemic.

My two cents is that the story is being connected simply because children aren't catching covid enough to warrant a scare story. So loose connection despite lack of actual evidence creates a stir. It will never be proven to be connected either, probably swept under the carpet once covid news coverage slows down in the months ahead.

Which is scary for me because there is a disease affecting kids that noone is really talking about on its own merit.

It’s not a disease that can be transmitted. It’s an auto-immune response.

 

[Kenshin]

It’s not a disease that can be transmitted. It’s an auto-immune response.

Ok. That rules out it passing like a virus if that's the case.

Still something that has existed for years but suddenly being connected to a virus that for all intents and purposes only existed for around 6 months.

I know the answer to that is oh but covid triggers that in a child. Sorry but that's a little bit odd don't you think? (Yes I know you will say no).

From the way it's being reported, I believe it's something entirely different being used as a way to scare people who have seen children mostly safe from covid-19. Can't let your kids go out, they might get the Kawasaki disease instead.

 

[RAFUH]

This is all just crazy arse nonsense. Our hospital system has the highest COVID patient census since the start of all this and the state just started the opening up process last week

 

[scratchnsurf]

It's hard to shake the notion that many pupils aren't being hugely let down at the moment.

So basically nothing to do with video lessons then.