Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

Yeah I posted the source for each graph mate as depending on the source organisation reporting you can get a number of contrasting figures in the U.K.

The graphs I posted were the ones used by the UK Government today in their daily briefing.

I know yours are correct. But the ones they actually used on the TV were incorrect.....

 

[TommyDavo]

I know yours are correct. But the ones they actually used on the TV were incorrect.....

I believe they just had the sizing wrong for the screen. Said at the time I need a bigger telly

 

[peteblue]

Bloody Ferguson.....

”The Covid-19 modelling that sent Britain into lockdown, shutting the economy and leaving millions unemployed, has been slammed by a series of experts.

Professor Neil Ferguson's computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable” by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on".

The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.“.......

 

[RAFUH]

Ok. That rules out it passing like a virus if that's the case.

Still something that has existed for years but suddenly being connected to a virus that for all intents and purposes only existed for around 6 months.

I know the answer to that is oh but covid triggers that in a child. Sorry but that's a little bit odd don't you think? (Yes I know you will say no).

From the way it's being reported, I believe it's something entirely different being used as a way to scare people who have seen children mostly safe from covid-19. Can't let your kids go out, they might get the Kawasaki disease instead.

It has long been known that there is an association with viruses as a trigger for auto-immune disease. Viruses active your immune system. Something goes wrong with the process and your immune system starts to attack you (ie auto-immune).

Do some research.

 

[peteblue]

I believe they just had the sizing wrong for the screen. Said at the time I need a bigger telly

haha.....but no, the graph actually ended where I’ve shown it......

 

[Tubey]

It has long been known that there is an association with viruses as a trigger for auto-immune disease. Viruses active your immune system. Something goes wrong with the process and your immune system starts to attack you (ie auto-immune).

Do some research.

I've seen that quite a bit personally. I knew someone (an adult) who came down with an entire body rash with no other symptoms, in circular patches - complete mystery but brought on by a mild cold.

Similarly herpes simplex is well known for being triggered by a stress response on the auto-immune system, which is why you often get cold sores when ill etc.

Kawasaki Disease is certainly one of those things, as I've seen it myself with my youngest.

 

[Kenshin]

It has long been known that there is an association with viruses as a trigger for auto-immune disease. Viruses active your immune system. Something goes wrong with the process and your immune system starts to attack you (ie auto-immune).

Do some research.

Or perhaps not everything being speculated on the news is actually true?

It seems to be the tone that if you dare question anything being told to us then you must be wrong?

There is literally no evidence connecting these two including negative tests in cases as told to us by Hancock himself. Just complete guesswork and speculation .

Yet merely suggesting there is no link gets an aggressive response from you?

 

[zzr45]

Ok. That rules out it passing like a virus if that's the case.

Still something that has existed for years but suddenly being connected to a virus that for all intents and purposes only existed for around 6 months.

I know the answer to that is oh but covid triggers that in a child. Sorry but that's a little bit odd don't you think? (Yes I know you will say no).

From the way it's being reported, I believe it's something entirely different being used as a way to scare people who have seen children mostly safe from covid-19. Can't let your kids go out, they might get the Kawasaki disease instead.

I agree that it’s being sensationalised in a way, but there’s scientific evidence from years ago that show KD was observed to react when children with it are exposed to Coronaviruses:

‘Finally, Esper et al. identified HCoV-NL63 in respiratory specimens from 8 (72.7%) of 11 children with Kawasaki disease (KD) and in only 1 (4.5%) of 22 age-matched controls, thus suggesting that KD may be triggered by a response to HCoV-NL63 infection’

Effects of Coronavirus Infections in Children - PMC

These viruses should be closely monitored to prevent spread of virulent strains. Keywords: Human coronaviruses, emerging viruses, respiratory viruses, SARS, childhood, viruses, perspective

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As ever, it feels like lessons from years ago just aren’t being acknowledged.

 

[orchard]

This graph has the U.K. excess death rate cumulatively North of 50k, between March and the 12th of May.

View attachment 87013

Thanks mate, that's almost there, I was after NI, Scot, Wales, Eng excess deaths per population. I'm intrigued by the way that the devolved nations are being slated for their lack of testing per head specifically, with no recourse to deaths per pop.. I'm sure I saw one a couple of weeks ago and the devolved nations looked quite good Vs England.

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is all just crazy arse nonsense. Our hospital system has the highest COVID patient census since the start of all this and the state just started opening up process last week

'Give me freedom or death!'

 

[Kenshin]

I agree that it’s being sensationalised in a way, but there’s scientific evidence from years ago that show KD was observed to react when children with it are exposed to Coronaviruses:

‘Finally, Esper et al. identified HCoV-NL63 in respiratory specimens from 8 (72.7%) of 11 children with Kawasaki disease (KD) and in only 1 (4.5%) of 22 age-matched controls, thus suggesting that KD may be triggered by a response to HCoV-NL63 infection’

Effects of Coronavirus Infections in Children - PMC

These viruses should be closely monitored to prevent spread of virulent strains. Keywords: Human coronaviruses, emerging viruses, respiratory viruses, SARS, childhood, viruses, perspective

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As ever, it feels like lessons from years ago just aren’t been acknowledged.

According to the official foundation website

Kawasaki Disease is increasingly common with c. 1,000 hospital admissions each year in the UK

Is it entirely possible given that the disease exists that people are only talking about it now in a very loose way to connect it to covid-19 as a scare mongering story?

Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that something most people had never heard of before is suddenly being spoken about despite it happening without covid-19 last year alone?

Which is my point. So when @RAFUH tells me to do research, I have done. 1000 people in the UK last year with this same disease. Perhaps , there is no connection? Perhaps, it's literally naming an existing disease that would have been triggering anyway pandemic or no pandemic?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Bloody Ferguson.....

”The Covid-19 modelling that sent Britain into lockdown, shutting the economy and leaving millions unemployed, has been slammed by a series of experts.

Professor Neil Ferguson's computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable” by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on".

The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.“.......

If only SAGE was comprised of a number of scientific experts who all had the opportunity to look different epidemiological models and scenarios and had a terms of reference that encouraged challenge and debate, we wouldn't have to scapegoat one individual.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If only SAGE was comprised of a number of scientific experts who all had the opportunity to look different epidemiological models and scenarios and had a terms of reference that encouraged challenge and debate, we wouldn't have to scapegoat one individual.

Could you paste the bit of the article behind the paywall?

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's a sad story sure.

I just don't buy into this covid connected disease. Especially when cases don't even test positive for covid in the first place. From it travelling , it sounds like there is something else that is being passed from country to country but being ignored / loosely connected to an existing pandemic.

My two cents is that the story is being connected simply because children aren't catching covid enough to warrant a scare story. So loose connection despite lack of actual evidence creates a stir. It will never be proven to be connected either, probably swept under the carpet once covid news coverage slows down in the months ahead.

Which is scary for me because there is a disease affecting kids that noone is really talking about on its own merit.

I very much doubt the pediatricians care about creating a scare story, they are just trying to figure out what is happening in the kids they are treating.

There may be a link, there may not, we will find out in time. However if anything the possible link with coronavirus is likely to get more, rather than less, resources focused on determining what is causing the issue ie better for the kids and their families.

 

[Kenshin]

I very much doubt the pediatricians care about creating a scare story, they are just trying to figure out what is happening in the kids they are treating.

There may be a link, there may not, we will find out in time. However if anything the possible link with coronavirus is likely to get more, rather than less, resources focused on determining what is causing the issue ie better for the kids and their families.

As I said above , the disease exists and has done for years. Up to 1000 kids affected in the UK last year.

The way it is being reported , like it has just magically started happening since covid-19 existed.

Which isn't exactly true.