Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

Hopefully the ability to isolate at a hotel will reduce transmission within homes which seem to be where most of the current NY infections are happening.

 

[roydo]

The pressure being brought to bear on teachers to risk their own lives and kids' lives by going in is scandalous.

These butchers couldn't give a monkey's about those teachers and kids, they just want their financial backer's to be allowed to start making money again.

What pressure is that?

I assume you havnt gone shopping for 7 weeks if you are worried about folk putting themselves in a hazardous situation.

The only concern I have seen raised by the teachers unions was about safety issues re online teaching, which I reckon is valid.

And what financial backers?

 

[davek]

What pressure is that?

I assume you havnt gone shopping for 7 weeks if you are worried about folk putting themselves in a hazardous situation.

The only concern I have seen raised by the teachers unions was about safety issues re online teaching, which I reckon is valid.

And what financial backers?

Large supermarkets are infinitely easier to keep people at a safe distance in.

Trying to get a school with hundreds of kids to that level of space discipline is like trying to herd cats.

Donors: that tit Martin who owns Wetherspoons for one.

 

[Neiler]

I‘ve just watched this on IPlayer. As I watched it I was confused because the graphs looked like they were showing the wrong numbers. Checking a screen shot against the ones you have posted, the actual numbers are correct, but the graph is four days old and has not been updated....It was similar with the graph for deaths.......PHE are bleeding useless....

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Yeah I posted the source for each graph mate as depending on the source organisation reporting you can get a number of contrasting figures in the U.K.

The graphs I posted were the ones used by the UK Government today in their daily briefing.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I've asked before, but why can't schools perform temperature tests of children at the entrance, as many employers currently do, and only admit those with normal temperatures? That would seem to minimise the risk from poor social distancing, which seems hard to achieve between pupils.

Off the top of my head the biggest issue would probably be getting them back home again. The vast majority of secondary school pupils arrive at school without a parent so from a safeguarding point of view, you can't just send them back the way they came. Additionally how do we get the tech to do this? Are there cheap and reliable solutions for the kind of numbers schools would need to deal with?

From a scientific point of view I've read mixed things about temperature tests as a high temperature only presents in the symptomatic for a fraction of the time they are infectious. That is not to say it wouldn't still be helpful, just like having PPE. But the Government say we don't need PPE either....

Testing pupils temperatures might be useful, but could be political suicide.

Qu to medical officer and chief scientists a few weeks ago

Why aren't we testing peoples temperatures as they come in through airports ?

Ans

Because it would miss a large proportion of those infected and be of limited use

That makes it very hard for the govt, the scientists and PHE to recommend testing kids temperatures. That would mean admitting their previous response was wrong, and, rather like forums on the internet, these people don't like to admit they were wrong.

For what it's worth, I doubt it would be much use in cutting down transmissions in school anyway.

 

[LinekersLegs]

His poor family, RIP

 

[LinekersLegs]

Testing pupils temperatures might be useful, but could be political suicide.

Qu to medical officer and chief scientists a few weeks ago

Why aren't we testing peoples temperatures as they come in through airports ?

Ans

Because it would miss a large proportion of those infected and be of limited use

That makes it very hard for the govt, the scientists and PHE to recommend testing kids temperatures. That would mean admitting their previous response was wrong, and, rather like forums on the internet, these people don't like to admit they were wrong.

For what it's worth, I doubt it would be much use in cutting down transmissions in school anyway.

Tbh think testing the teachers each day would be more manageable and likely more effective at tracking which classes had an issue.

 

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[Bruce Wayne]

Testing pupils temperatures might be useful, but could be political suicide.

Qu to medical officer and chief scientists a few weeks ago

Why aren't we testing peoples temperatures as they come in through airports ?

Ans

Because it would miss a large proportion of those infected and be of limited use

That makes it very hard for the govt, the scientists and PHE to recommend testing kids temperatures. That would mean admitting their previous response was wrong, and, rather like forums on the internet, these people don't like to admit they were wrong.

For what it's worth, I doubt it would be much use in cutting down transmissions in school anyway.

Of course, it only detects those who have a fever as a result of the virus, which is quite possibly a small proportion. All I'm saying is that it is part of a measure of things (which seem to include good hand hygiene, mask wearing and as much social distancing as practically possible) being used in Asian countries to get children back into schools, while we faff about waiting for a perfectly sterile environment that will never come until a vaccine arrives, which may be 12-18 months away. The airports are planning to use it because it's better than nothing, and if they remain shut then there won't be an aviation industry to come back to.

 

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[Catfish Blues]

Horrible to see, but, as a pedant, my first thought was that forecasting an increase in deaths ( rather than a reduction caused by a few resurrections ) is really stating the bleeding obvious.

 

[Tubey]

Of course, it only detects those who have a fever as a result of the virus, which is quite possibly a small proportion. All I'm saying is that it is part of a measure of things (which seem to include good hand hygiene, mask wearing and as much social distancing as practically possible) being used in Asian countries to get children back into schools, while we faff about waiting for a perfectly sterile environment that will never come until a vaccine arrives, which may be 12-18 months away. The airports are planning to use it because it's better than nothing, and if they remain shut then there won't be an aviation industry to come back to.

As said yesterday they're already considering that and before the lockdown some schools were already doing that.

The problem is that say that method catches at best 1 in 3 infections at the gate - the other two get in and it's exponential growth from that point on.

Do you think care homes haven't been doing the same thing?

 

[orchard]

Yeah I posted the source for each graph mate as depending on the source organisation reporting you can get a number of contrasting figures in the U.K.

The graphs I posted were the ones used by the UK Government today in their daily briefing.

Got a current different UK Countries excess deaths per population graph please?

 

[Neiler]

Horrible to see, but, as a pedant, my first thought was that forecasting an increase in deaths ( rather than a reduction caused by a few resurrections ) is really stating the bleeding obvious.

It’s a valid point of view mate, would you have the same mindset in European fatalities in lifting lockdown restrictions,

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting thread