Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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navidson said:
It's the thing that's keeping me awake at night

How the hell are people actually still getting it?!
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the other day mate you said there hadn’t been a lockdown and we had a discussion about it . It’s kind of dwelled on my mind .

As I watch European countries come out of their lockdowns to effectively where we are now I can’t help but think about your point and think we seem to have had the restrictions of a lockdown or at least its felt like that but given its lack of ‘teeth ‘ and the sheer number of caveats have we had any of the benefits ?

Neither Arthur nor Martha springs to mind, so as we look at our figures were we too slow to act and did we just not do enough ? I honestly just don’t know but I have to say mate your post does resonate.
 
Harryflashman said:
the other day mate you said there hadn’t been a lockdown and we had a discussion about it . It’s kind of dwelled on my mind .

As I watch European countries come out of their lockdowns to effectively where we are now I can’t help but think about your point and think we seem to have had the restrictions of a lockdown or at least its felt like that but given its lack of ‘teeth ‘ and the sheer number of caveats have we had any of the benefits ?

Neither Arthur nor Martha springs to mind, so as we look at our figures were we too slow to act and did we just not do enough ? I honestly just don’t know but I have to say mate your post does resonate.
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I remember that discussion - I think the lockdown impacts on all of us in different ways so I realise i was being a little judgemental when I say we weren't even in lockdown

I do think that we've been more than a bit 'loosey goosey' with the whole thing though - I'm not sure if it's a society issue and British people are unable/unwilling to follow guidance, or if the powers that be in this country (i.e the police) have just been stripped of their effectiveness and completely neutered due to human rights/political correctness garbage
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
What I dont get is we've been on lockdown for over 6 weeks so how are hundreds still being infected and dying every day still?

If its contamination on stuff like people touching items in the supermarkets etc. Then little we can do to stop that sadly.
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The data is always retrospective.

So finding 10000 new cases tomorrow may have been cases 2-3 weeks ago still in the system.

There is a question of how people can still get infected in the general sense and I have no answer to that one.

To be honest I find the current climate a little, well odd. Because it's almost like we have come out the other side , just 2 weeks on delay of that news. At the same time there is still the risk out there for a lot of people.

4 weeks ago it probably felt like it was an invisible killer out there to many people. I think those many are starting to think everything is getting back to normal and it is , but noone knows to what extent.
 
davek said:
It looked choreographed to me.

We saw in the last two days the health experts at SAGE with their Mea Culpa, now we see Johnson with some limited hand wringing. On reflection, there's nowhere for them to go on this, because the stats are catastrophically bad. They know it too.

I want to see Labour come out and pan any loosening of the lockdown that doesnb't kick it down the road. The line should be that, because of Tory incompetence, we have to be looking at weeks down the line before even a first stage of reopening the economy/society. The UK is not like anywhere else that's looking to come out of lockdown. The LP should also make it plain that if the Tories do open up from next week and there occurs any upward trend in cases, they'll be called to account for it.
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A definite change in strategy mate, Boris to show his human side, speaking about his experience of the virus, recovery, NHS hero’s, new born helps, becomes more visible when testing target is met, promises 200k tests now he’s back, mucho PPE and going to let everyone out of jail on Monday. Boris returning man of the people. Strangely I’ve never heard a PM talk less during a crisis, yet “the prime ministers spokesperson” is speaking all the time, what is that, hugely weird.

Hancock has been thrown under the bus, fall guy for a pregnant response to almost every facet of this. I’ve no doubt acknowledgement of mistakes made, is also an agreed strategy at this point - in fact as a political initiative many European leaders have done this at the end of last week or over the weekend. Our leader did it Friday night, the Tories have watched and learned.

Acknowledging the mistakes with Care home, community and PPE, means they can’t ignore nor neglect these again, I’m personally happy about that.

Releasing Lock down will be popular it will give a sense of progress, hope of normality but also misdirection on the horrible handling of the virus in the UK, that is what the ploy is being used for. If I was Labour, I wouldnt blanket oppose it, but come up with an alternative road map in rebuttal, giving hope but also clarity, but also stating the Goverment are doing this as a political ploy in misdirection and to soon, because I think they are. It to soon for the UK to open up in my opinion.

* Another waste of resources is 200k tests - that would have been useful a month ago, the community is out of control now. I would be concerned if he was serious about easing restrictions on Monday - if he’s any sense it will be a token easing.
 
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Harryflashman said:
again mate I think we’re talking at cross purposes .

you asked was there a disease that effected different ethnic communities differently . I said I think diabetes effects the BAME community worse than the white community . Ignoring covid , I might be wrong but I’m sure the stats back that up .

regardless of that ignore diabetes look at sickle cell and how it effects the BAME community and there is a similar disease to that that predominantly effects those of Mediterranean and I think another community . So like I say yeah there are deffo diseases that effect different ethnicities to a greater or lesser extent .
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Still needs further research but Vitamin D might be another reason for vulnerability of BAME community.
 
Neiler said:
A definite change in strategy, Boris to show his human side, speaking about his experience of the virus, recovery, NHS hero’s, new born helps, becomes more visible when testing target is met, promises 200k tests now he’s Bach, much PPE and going to let everyone out of jail on Monday. Boris returning man of the people. Hancock has been thrown under the bus, fall guy for a pregnant response to almost every fascist of this. I’ve no doubt acknowledgement of mistakes made is also an agreed strategy at this point - in fact as a political initiative many European leaders have done this at the end of last week or over the weekend. Our leader did it Friday night, the Tories have watched and learned.

Acknowledging the mistakes with Care home, community and PPE, means they can’t ignore nor neglect these again, I’m personally happy about that.

Releasing Lock down will be popular it will give a sense of progress, hope of normality but also misdirection on the horrible handling of the virus in the UK, that what it’s been used for. If I was Labour, I wouldnt blanket oppose it, but come up with an alternative road map in rebuttal, giving hope but also clarity, but also stating the Goverment are doing this as a political ploy in misdirection, because I think they are. It to soon for the UK to open up in my opinion.

* Another waste of resources is 200k tests - that would have been useful a month ago, the community is out of control now,
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I can see why you'd say that: oppose it and the frustration goes onto Labour in the short term and pressure lifts from the murderous government.

However, the LP have to take unpopular decisions for some in order to remain consistent on the need for a national consensus on easing lockdown. They cant back any current Tory plan; the trade unions are up in arms against proposed measures to open up again.

If the LP completely oppose this lifting then they'll be principled and reap the political benefit when, not if, it all goes arse up on lockdown easing.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Still needs further research but Vitamin D might be another reason for vulnerability of BAME community.
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Feeling a bit smug here as I’d read a Medical article last September about winter vitamin D deficiency and decided to take daily vitamin D tablets and I still do. I expect I’ll read tomorrow that they are bad for you and cause coronavirus......
 
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