Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Barnfred 55 said:
I never really understood where they drew the line between Pathway and Euthanasia.

My mum went on pathway. She'd had a stroke and the muscles in her throat wouldn't allow her to swallow. They couldn't force feed her either as she had a hiatus hernia. So she was basically just taking vitamins and fluids intravenously. She was 90 at the time but had been very ill for a number of months The family were offered pathway and we agreed (all six of us which was probably a first). She was removed from the drips the following day and we were told that it would take about 4/5 days before she passed on. Over a week later and she's still going strong. My sister works in the hospital so was spending a lot of time daily with her, and one day when she went into her room one of nurses was holding a lolly ice for her to suck. She's thirsty the nurse says guiltily, not even sinking in that my mum shouldn't even be able to swallow.

So my sister get's the doctor who brings in the speech therapist who declares her throat muscles are working again. So they immediately put her on liquidised foods and she's taken off pathway. Apparently it was a double miracle. Firstly the use of her throat muscles returning, and secondly surviving 9 days without food and water given the state of her health when she went onto pathway. The medical staff were amazed.

It must have been the Irish in her. She's from Naas. :)

After that ordeal though little wonder she only lasted 3 months in the care home.
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Exact same thing happened to my Nan after she had a stroke too and she was being looked after by Drs and Nurses that knew her ! - she was an auxiliary nurse at the Royal Liverpool her whole working life.

In the end it got too much to bear for my mums family and they kicked up such a stink they took her off it too.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
That headline is misleading when you read the text of the article. It says "inquests told not to look at PPE shortages".

In reality it says.

"if there were reason to believe that some human failure contributed to the person being infected with the virus, an inquest may be required. The coroner may need to consider whether any failure of precautions in a particular workplace caused the deceased to contract the virus and so contributed to death"

In other words, you can have an inquest if you believe lack of PPE directly contributed to somebody's death.

What you can't do, according to the chief coroner, is use the context of the inquest to investigate "why" there was a PPE shortage, in other words to attach blame, or use the context of the inquest to criticise central government policy and systems.

When I first read that headline I thought that shortage of PPE was not a reason to hold an inquest into a NHS/care workers death. At least we know now that those that died due to a lack of PPE will be identified.

I have absolutely no idea whether this type of thing is usually included within Inquests, so not sure whether the instructions from the Chief Coroner are irregular or not. But the subject of why the PPE was so understocked still needs fully investigating and should be subject to some other form of enquiry once this is all over.
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I agree with your analysis to a point, but surely if lack of PPE were a contributory factor in any way whatsoever then this has to be a consideration at inquests.

I come from a heavy engineering background and when I first started work as an apprentice in the late 70's it became quickly apparent to me that a large proportion of the old hands from the machine shops were missing various fingers and in a small proportion hands. After talking to them over a period of time it turns out that most had accidents at work early in their careers resulting in them being maimed due to a lack of guards on machinery, as health and safety was non-existent back then.

What I'm trying to say is that without pressure being placed upon Government and employers regarding guards on machinery nothing would have changed and we would still be in the same boat today. It was certainly sobering to me that I could be killed or maimed just by going to work at the age of 16.
So I think if there was a shortage of kit due to an employers failings this MUST be looked at, as in this case the Government is the employer.

Not having a go mate, it's just my opinion FWIW.
 
COYBL25 said:
Cake shop ( they make high end cakes )
Health food shop
Decorating shop
Cheese shop / deli
Newsagents
Banks

The takeaways never shut.

Leaving just the pubs, restaurants, solicitors and estate agents shut.
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And are their customers wearing masks and keeping 2m apart?
 
Dharma said:
Real confusion around the trials for Remdesivir. A week ago the WHO ' leaked ' a report saying
the Chinese trial had failed. Patients had not recovered, the virus had not diminished and some had suffered
side effects. Gilead, the pharma, producers of Remdesivir disputed the report, saying not enough patients
were involved in the trial, also late in the stages of disease.

In February, chinese pharma BrightGene claimed to have copied the drug which is said to be available
on the ' black market '.

Shares in Gilead have climbed with the apparent success of their own trial, after falling after the Chinese trial.
Someone is lying, and with the WHO being in the pockets of the chinese....
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FT today reported the Chinese study only involved 237 patients. The medics on here can advise, but in general statistical terms that would be considered too small a sample for robust estimates.
 
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