Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[royalblue66]

See Boris swerved Starmer at PMQs yesterday, sh*thou
Good lad Boris.

 

[jamieni]

 

[jamieni]

In terms of not having people dying on hospital floors like in Italy and Spain, we haven't had that.

Unfortunately it looks like that's because a lot of people are on death's door by the time they get into ICU, mind.

This is where I have concerns about the hospital fatality rate as reported in the Liverpool University study. Would it be anywhere near as high if treatment could be given earlier in the development of the disease rather than waiting until people were in severe difficulties before admitting them. I appreciate these are exceptional circumstances but it will be interesting to see how the picture changes if case numbers are at relatively low levels.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not arguing the point here, but the Government have hardly freely admitted they made any sort of error, if anything they've denied they did; blamed science, blamed China, blamed difficult circumstances, blamed civil servants, blamed media, blamed trusts, blamed a lack of preparedness, blamed PHE...etc etc etc

There's a whole list of things you can criticise this government for in the handling of this virus. Some of it with the benefit of hindsight and some of it bloody obvious.

But in my opinion the one thing you can't throw at them is playing the blame game. I haven't seen every interview or published article but I don't recall seeing them blame any of the above other than difficult circumstances. Not hiding behind poor expert advice, an ineffectual civic service and a poorly organised NHS structure is one of the few things I actually give this government credit for.

If you want to look for a government that is doing all of those things you mention look no further than USA.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Excuse me, the covid good news thread is over there. This thread is for the discussion of DEATH at the hands of MURDERERERERS.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Walken]

Looks like those Nightingale hospitals are going to be white elephants. And care homes should have been as much if not more of the focus. Probably bargained on, out of site out of mind, until that lovely and endearing Colonial Tom popped to remind the nation who is actually in them.

The government has been woeful throughout this, not only that but their cruelty over the last 10 years has massively contributed to their woeful performance. That being said, the nightingale hossies being empty now doesnt make then a bad idea in tge first place imo, I've no beef with dough being spent on contingencies, i wish they had more far proactive in that regard

 

[Harryflashman]

It seemed to have been the consistent line that this was going to be the suspected outcome but it’s good to see it appears to have been confirmed.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The government has been woeful throughout this, not only that but their cruelty over the last 10 years has massively contributed to their woeful performance. That being said, the nightingale hossies being empty now doesnt make then a bad idea in tge first place imo, I've no beef with dough being spent on contingencies, i wish they had more far proactive in that regard

I'm sure they followed the expert advice in that regard.

Don’t believe anyone can say social care has been at the forefront of Government minds until the last week or so.

And how long it remains at forefront is questionable, as would appear people in this bracket are just economic inconveniences.

 

[davek]

It was my understanding that CAGE are a research unit of the university, and I'm not sure where you get the view that they advocate economic nationalism from. I didn't think they had a clear stance, and were not akin to Chicago, George Mason or LSE, but it's your prerogative I suppose.

Well, I was reading off some of the publication history of CAGE to make that assumption. But their research group's very name underlines that securing economic advantage in global markets is their objective (their using behavioural science as a means to suggest changes in economic relationships and applying it to labour markets to aid that), and that they are working out of a UK university and getting state (ESRC) cash to do so, indicates they are part of that push.

Regardless, the conclusions they draw on return to work infection rates are mundane and made for narrow economic purposes, IMO (and the caveats they make concerning their conclusions just about destroy their own arguments in any case).

 

[BlueToff]

Looks like those Nightingale hospitals are going to be white elephants. And care homes should have been as much if not more of the focus. Probably bargained on, out of site out of mind, until that lovely and endearing Colonial Tom popped to remind the nation who is actually in them.

Well it's better to have the spare hospital capacity and not need them than the other way around.

If we didn't have them and needed them then you'd be the first to say.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Well it's better to have the spare hospital capacity and not need them than the other way around.

If we didn't have them and needed them then you'd be the first to say.

We did need them but did not use them, that much is evident...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You know you have a choice over the media you consume, right? It's like ditching having people you get on with as friends and deliberately seeking out people that annoy you, just so you can constantly point out how much they annoy you. If you don't like the Mail/Telegraph/rag (and lets face it, who would?), then why read them? Why share tweets and comments from them?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Regardless, the conclusions they draw on return to work infection rates are mundane and made for narrow economic purposes, IMO (and the caveats they make concerning their conclusions just about destroy their own arguments in any case).

Fair dos like.