Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

Bastion of socialism...along with all the other left wing press, radio and tv stations.

I see the continued 'you can't criticise us, we are working very hard' principle applies.

If only that rationale could be applied to public services the Government has sought to erode.

 

[mill]

Get the math, however, this is not just about math is it. Its extremely insidious of the government to use in the way they are...

No you see you are still talking about something else.
I’m saying that it is correct to show data of this nature on a logarithmic scale.
There’s no politics in that idea.
Any mathematician in any realm (financial, scientific, pure maths whatever) would use a log scale to show exponential growth.
I’ve got a lot of issues with the handling of this but focus on something else. Not a log scale. It’s clouding the real issue.
Which is ultimately that the government got their policy wrong in the beginning. Something which they have freely admitted by the actual policy shift they made.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No you see you are still talking about something else.
I’m saying that it is correct to show data of this nature on a logarithmic scale.
There’s no politics in that idea.
Any mathematician in any realm (financial, scientific, pure maths whatever) would use a log scale to show exponential growth.
I’ve got a lot of issues with the handling of this but focus on something else. Not a log scale. It’s clouding the real issue.
Which is ultimately that the government got their policy wrong in the beginning. Something which they have freely admitted by the actual policy shift they made.

Not arguing the point here, but the Government have hardly freely admitted they made any sort of error, if anything they've denied they did; blamed science, blamed China, blamed difficult circumstances, blamed civil servants, blamed media, blamed trusts, blamed a lack of preparedness, blamed PHE...etc etc etc

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No you see you are still talking about something else.
I’m saying that it is correct to show data of this nature on a logarithmic scale.
There’s no politics in that idea.
Any mathematician in any realm (financial, scientific, pure maths whatever) would use a log scale to show exponential growth.
I’ve got a lot of issues with the handling of this but focus on something else. Not a log scale. It’s clouding the real issue.
Which is ultimately that the government got their policy wrong in the beginning. Something which they have freely admitted by the actual policy shift they made.

So the purpose to pour over graph yesterday in COVID19 update on prime-time television was to please all mathematicians who just might be watching. I find that politically naive.
It was put up to detract from the very conservative 26097 deaths they had been forced in to collating.

 

[mill]

Not arguing the point here, but the Government have hardly freely admitted they made any sort of error, if anything they've denied they did; blamed science, blamed China, blamed difficult circumstances, blamed civil servants, blamed media, blamed trusts, blamed a lack of preparedness, blamed PHE...etc etc etc

Sorry to be clear, I’m saying they admitted the mistake purely on the fact that they *changed* the policy.
Not because they’ve explicitly said.
I’m saying no one can argue that they got it wrong because the government reversed their original policy.
if they’d have got it right to begin with there would be no policy change.
To reiterate I wasn’t saying they have explicitly said they are wrong. *this* government would never ever ever do that.

 

[mill]

So the purpose to pour over graph yesterday in COVID19 update on prime-time television was to please all mathematicians who just might be watching. I find that politically naive.
It was put up to detract from the very conservative 26097 deaths they had been forced in to collating.

No. I’m saying that if you are displaying rate of change a log scale is appropriate. If you are displaying level, a linear scale is appropriate. And in this case it’s more informative to see growth because it is telling you the effectiveness of the lockdown measures.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Is that thing peer reviewed?

In any case, from it's own linked report, their findings are:

"...an illustration of a deliberately extreme worst-case scenario. What might happen in England and Wales in the very long run under a general release from lockdown if no vaccine is discovered and all employees and self-employed people were allowed to go back to some form of work? This is not a prediction of the most likely future....The calculation adopts especially pessimistic assumptions, so we do not propose it as a literal or exact prediction of what will happen if the government pursues a broad-ranged release policy."

It's not an academic publication, so I doubt it. It's purely for anyone interested in these kind of things. It wasn't shared out of any support for its findings.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I have 2 family members that worked in the NHS before retiring. Listening to them you get the impression it's not just not immune to bad management but in fact riddled with it.

I wish I could say otherwise. In their defence, they are under considerable pressure, so it's not an easy job at all.

 

[Billy Dean]

I wish I could say otherwise. In their defence, they are under considerable pressure, so it's not an easy job at all.

Absolutely. According to them things got a lt more difficult from the Cameron years onwards.

 

[davek]

It's not an academic publication, so I doubt it. It's purely for anyone interested in these kind of things. It wasn't shared out of any support for its findings.

It's coming out of Warwick University.

By the way, the sponosrs for the paper 'CAGE' are a policy think tank (Centre for Competitive Advantage in the Global Economy) and looking at their publications they seem to be all about making the case for British economic nationalism.

In short: I think their motives are less the well being of workers over the age of 50 (or under it for that matter) than to get the economy up and running again. And what are they using other than the established common sense that the older you are the worst outcome there will be, and then applying it to a lockdown release.

I'd take their arguments with a shovel full of salt.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Sorry to be clear, I’m saying they admitted the mistake purely on the fact that they *changed* the policy.
Not because they’ve explicitly said.
I’m saying no one can argue that they got it wrong because the government reversed their original policy.
if they’d have got it right to begin with there would be no policy change.
To reiterate I wasn’t saying they have explicitly said they are wrong. *this* government would never ever ever do that.

I get that. It's a shame, given that changing policy based on revised evidence is the mark of sensible decision making, that they can't admit it - although I suspect that's because it wasn't purely a scientific decision.

 

[DanEFC92]

So full of hope rn

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

When you use the term banker most people these days probably think of high rollers earning lots of zero's in bonus's. These probably make up no more than 1% or 2% of the workforce mate and generally work in the trade markets in London.

I worked on the front line to coin a popular term. Most of my career was spent as a financial advisor and then as a relationship manager, looking after small and medium size business's and latterly high net worth individuals. My portfolio of clients was my own little business and I was responsible for growing that business, bringing in new clients and cross selling a range of our products according to needs. I always worked on the premise that good service will result in sales. Towards the end of my career a lot of the autonomy and decision making was removed from my control, and the sales management became more and more important to the stage where we became product driven rather than service driven.

Me and my missus could do with one of those now mate. lol

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So full of hope rn

Thanks to that bald galoot we werent all given a nice little one off grant payment

 

[Jebus_lives]

So full of hope rn

'it serves as a wonderful distraction during this time of heavy and prolonged Government scrutiny and an opportunity for those of us, who seek to shield our glorious leader from legitimate criticism, to claim people who do so are doing it purely through a personal hatred of the man'