Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

Sounds good but how do they count "less deaths"?

Exactly. 'Fewer deaths' should be the appropriate terminology.

 

[tsubaki]

A lot of companies are, understandably, making plans for when they can resume operations, but I don't know quite how closely they're working with Whitehall in doing so. As is so often the case, you suspect the problem won't be with the employers that treat their employees, suppliers, and other stakeholders well, but those who don't. As a caveat, in my wife's team, a number of colleagues (and indeed herself) needed longer than the 1 week sickness period to truly shift the virus, but were told to come in or stay at home without pay. Even the NHS is not immune to poor management, sadly.

That’s disgusting, but sadly some managers just revert to type whenever stressed. Ours have - amazingly - been fantastic.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Are you sure mate? I think there was a lot more hatred dished out towards the likes of Corbyn than the current government. I think it would've been worse myself.

No I'm not sure at all mate. It's just an opinion.

You may well be right about the media, certainly the right wing publications. They have pretty much all turned against the government in this because it sells papers to sensationalise events. I'm not entirely sure the left wing papers would do the same if it were a Labour government in charge. I somehow think they would be more loyal. Again, just an opinion.

But I think Joe Public would be different. Yes you have the extreme right wing element of society, and the racists, and these all have a hate mentality. But the vast majority of people who vote Tory are not the evil people some in here like to think. And in my experience they don't have the same hate or dislike of the Labour Party that is shown by many Labour voters to the Tory party. I honestly believe that most would get behind a Labour government until this thing is sorted. I'm not saying they wouldn't criticise or anything, but on the whole they would be supportive and understanding of the extreme conditions they are working under.

Again, that's just an opinion. The only thing I can say with certainty is that I personally would be supporting a Labour Govt during this crisis. Not that I consider myself a Tory by the way. And I would also expect a Tory opposition party to be supportive, and by supportive I don't mean just holding to account but also coming up with tangible help and advice on how the country can get through this. I haven't seen any of this so far from any opposition politician, other than Andy Burnham. He was on an episode of question time with Matt Hancock early on in the crisis, and he came up with loads of positive constructive advice, showing Hancock up for the incompetent that he is. I wanted to hug him when he suggested to Hancock that he may want to consider bringing in the facilities of the countries Private Hospitals, many of whom had ventilators and ICU facilities. You could actually see the lights come on in Hancocks head and, lo behold, 2/3 days later Hancock announces the annexation of Private hospitals.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That’s disgusting, but sadly some managers just revert to type whenever stressed. Ours have - amazingly - been fantastic.

Aye, there does appear to be a tendency for stick rather than carrot approaches to management in the NHS, although to be fair to the lady concerned, she has also shown genuine kindness as well, but the desire to hit the numbers and follow procedure is pretty strong.

 

[davek]

No I'm not sure at all mate. It's just an opinion.

You may well be right about the media, certainly the right wing publications. They have pretty much all turned against the government in this because it sells papers to sensationalise events. I'm not entirely sure the left wing papers would do the same if it were a Labour government in charge. I somehow think they would be more loyal. Again, just an opinion.

But I think Joe Public would be different. Yes you have the extreme right wing element of society, and the racists, and these all have a hate mentality. But the vast majority of people who vote Tory are not the evil people some in here like to think. And in my experience they don't have the same hate or dislike of the Labour Party that is shown by many Labour voters to the Tory party. I honestly believe that most would get behind a Labour government until this thing is sorted. I'm not saying they wouldn't criticise or anything, but on the whole they would be supportive and understanding of the extreme conditions they are working under.

Again, that's just an opinion. The only thing I can say with certainty is that I personally would be supporting a Labour Govt during this crisis. Not that I consider myself a Tory by the way. And I would also expect a Tory opposition party to be supportive, and by supportive I don't mean just holding to account but also coming up with tangible help and advice on how the country can get through this. I haven't seen any of this so far from any opposition politician, other than Andy Burnham. He was on an episode of question time with Matt Hancock early on in the crisis, and he came up with loads of positive constructive advice, showing Hancock up for the incompetent that he is. I wanted to hug him when he suggested to Hancock that he may want to consider bringing in the facilities of the countries Private Hospitals, many of whom had ventilators and ICU facilities. You could actually see the lights come on in Hancocks head and, lo behold, 2/3 days later Hancock announces the annexation of Private hospitals.

Left wing papers. Which might they be?

 

[Barnfred 55]

If Corbyn got in...

He would have done what Italy did.

Backroom deals galore and stakes all over the place given to China...

With Corbyn praising the Chinese, stating that no one is to blame and how theyve given free medical equipment to him and how amazing they are.

General Public praising him etc...then the papers leaking that all these deals with China for ventilators and masks have come at a great cost as hes given the Chinese all the goodies incl 5G and all the cream.

There isnt a cat in hells chance Corbyn would be standing up to China now...his supporters would all be mimicking him as well.

Has he disappeared yet?

Not sure on the new labour leader, or Johnson

But its pretty acceptable that @peteblue can be anti china and pro British Government.

I find it quite surprising for anyone to have an opposing view.

I don't agree with all of that Zat. You could be right about him sucking up to China, certainly compared to the USA anyway.

But when all is said and done, I believe Corbyn would have acted pretty similarly to how the Johnson govt has. They would have the same medical and scientific people advising them and the same protectionist/preservationist mentality of the government departments they rely on to carry out policy. He would probably have done some things differently, like locking down slightly earlier or banning large gatherings and possibly using universal basic income.

There is no evidence to support the view of some on here that he would have prepared much better for this as regards the provision of PPE and ventilators. If that were the case he would have been hammering it out in the commons during February, but the truth is he was more concerned with Johnson going missing during the floods crisis.

And I also think that most of the country would have stood behind him, at least during the term of the crisis.

 

[LocalNative]

USA seeming to relax social distancing from today onwards. We should take a leaf out of Donald's book and ban all flights from USA. They're going to be in extreme trouble for a long time if they go back to business as usual before getting this virus under control.

 

[Billy Dean]

A lot of companies are, understandably, making plans for when they can resume operations, but I don't know quite how closely they're working with Whitehall in doing so. As is so often the case, you suspect the problem won't be with the employers that treat their employees, suppliers, and other stakeholders well, but those who don't. As a caveat, in my wife's team, a number of colleagues (and indeed herself) needed longer than the 1 week sickness period to truly shift the virus, but were told to come in or stay at home without pay. Even the NHS is not immune to poor management, sadly.

I have 2 family members that worked in the NHS before retiring. Listening to them you get the impression it's not just not immune to bad management but in fact riddled with it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Left wing papers. Which might they be?

The Times after the other week...lol

Response to Sunday Times Insight article – Department of Health and Social Care Media Centre

A Government spokesman said: ‘This article contains a series of falsehoods and errors and actively misrepresents the enormous amount of work which was going on in government at the earliest stages of the Coronavirus outbreak.’ ‘This is an unprecedented global

healthmedia.blog.gov.uk

 

[davek]

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www.wbs.ac.uk

Is that thing peer reviewed?

In any case, from it's own linked report, their findings are:

"...an illustration of a deliberately extreme worst-case scenario. What might happen in England and Wales in the very long run under a general release from lockdown if no vaccine is discovered and all employees and self-employed people were allowed to go back to some form of work? This is not a prediction of the most likely future....The calculation adopts especially pessimistic assumptions, so we do not propose it as a literal or exact prediction of what will happen if the government pursues a broad-ranged release policy."

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Hang on. I’m referring to the scale used. I didn’t mention the comparators.
A log scale is appropriate for what the data is showing. It’s just maths.

Get the math, however, this is not just about math is it. Its extremely insidious of the government to use in the way they are...

 

[davek]

The Times after the other week...lol

Response to Sunday Times Insight article – Department of Health and Social Care Media Centre

A Government spokesman said: ‘This article contains a series of falsehoods and errors and actively misrepresents the enormous amount of work which was going on in government at the earliest stages of the Coronavirus outbreak.’ ‘This is an unprecedented global

healthmedia.blog.gov.uk

Bastion of socialism...along with all the other left wing press, radio and tv stations.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A lot of companies are, understandably, making plans for when they can resume operations, but I don't know quite how closely they're working with Whitehall in doing so. As is so often the case, you suspect the problem won't be with the employers that treat their employees, suppliers, and other stakeholders well, but those who don't. As a caveat, in my wife's team, a number of colleagues (and indeed herself) needed longer than the 1 week sickness period to truly shift the virus, but were told to come in or stay at home without pay. Even the NHS is not immune to poor management, sadly.

Immune? You could be forgiven for thinking it was an essential criteria in some cases.

 

[tsubaki]

USA seeming to relax social distancing from today onwards. We should take a leaf out of Donald's book and ban all flights from USA. They're going to be in extreme trouble for a long time if they go back to business as usual before getting this virus under control.

This, really. If he lifts the lockdown now with them miles ahead of everyone else then no flights should be allowed, and people who’ve been to the US in the past two months should not be let in without severe restrictions (quarantine for two weeks etc) applies.

 

[Barnfred 55]

As she's climbed the ladder in her profession mate the one thing she has never forgotten is why she got into it in the first place, and that was to try and help people the best she could.

I would imagine the banking game can be a tad ruthless and if you were one of the people (not you specifically mate) near the top of the chain you had to be almost emotionless because of the decisions you have to take on a daily business. At least now the banks are getting their act together.

When you use the term banker most people these days probably think of high rollers earning lots of zero's in bonus's. These probably make up no more than 1% or 2% of the workforce mate and generally work in the trade markets in London.

I worked on the front line to coin a popular term. Most of my career was spent as a financial advisor and then as a relationship manager, looking after small and medium size business's and latterly high net worth individuals. My portfolio of clients was my own little business and I was responsible for growing that business, bringing in new clients and cross selling a range of our products according to needs. I always worked on the premise that good service will result in sales. Towards the end of my career a lot of the autonomy and decision making was removed from my control, and the sales management became more and more important to the stage where we became product driven rather than service driven.