Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Do you trust the WHO?

Not entirely however, more than my Government, embarrassingly we tried to do our own thing, however, we soon fell into line.

 

[peteblue]

Do you trust the WHO?

I think it is corrupt and the guy at the top is a stooge for the Chinese Communist Party......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The one good thing that I’m hoping that will come out of all this, is that the government will now see that under no circumstances should Trump be allowed anywhere near our NHS in any capacity whatsoever.

Irrelevant of the moral and social issues it would be political suicide.

If anyone actually believed the Tory's on this subject, it was never the case anyway... However, here we are with our heads in the lion mouth hoping it does not feel peckish anytime soon, we get what we vote for.

 

[Neiler]

Don’t know if anyone saw Channel 4 news earlier, I find their reporting of this the most honest and impartial in the UK.

Raised serious doubts about the validity of the UK governments reporting of RIP figures in particular and raised the issue of an Epidemic in nursing and care homes. These settings have accounted for up to 50% of the RIPs figures in other countries. Asking the very valid question of why the UK are not reporting these and other countries are. Interesting peice, I’m sure it will be up on their website later.

As per the above report on C4, Sky news have now picked up the story.

Coronavirus: Around half of COVID-19 deaths are in care homes

The research places some doubt on the value of daily government figures which cover only deaths of hospital patients.

news.sky.com

If the UK are like any other other country, the actual RIP figures may be close to 15-20k at the moment.

 

[ParisToffee]

Aye, it's a tricky one. I read in France they were converting TGV trains into moving ambulances to get people to where ICU capacity was better, but the train links to Cornwall are notoriously awful, so I suppose that's not a viable option (even though there are sleeper trains down there, you'd imagine the slowness would be a problem).

Those TGV s take patients out of over crowded areas and down to areas with little or no cases of the virus ;-) taking pressure off pressurised areas like Paris and Strasbourg where most cases are ;-) Each patient has 2 doctors( and 4 nurses and 2 student doctors with them and 2 patients per carriage at most ;-)

 

[Blueclouds]

Sadly, there's the misconception: it's not just the vulnerable and elderly. Businesses are suffering, which is terrible, but right now the priority is the health service.

While the elderly and those with underlying issues are at a greater risk, everyone is susceptible and the NHS simply couldn't manage a spike in numbers.

We haven't reached the peak of the virus yet, so until that happens we will not see any lifting of restrictions (even light). In fact, it'll be a week or two after that.

The stats are mainly the old and vulnerable tbf.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Liverpools economy relies heavily on the universities. The universities rely on foreign students and news reaches me that the number of enrolments from foreign students for September is catastrophically low. This lockdown needs to end asap and an economic recovery plan put into place. The consequences of an endless lockdown go far beyond short term deaths rates. The picture is much bigger.

 

[jamieni]

As per the above report on C4, Sky news have now picked up the story.

Coronavirus: Around half of COVID-19 deaths are in care homes

The research places some doubt on the value of daily government figures which cover only deaths of hospital patients.

news.sky.com

If the UK are like any other other country, the actual RIP figures may be close to 15-20k at the moment.

I think the daily reported deaths have to be treated with caution due to obvious under-reporting of deaths in care homes etc. However, they are useful for trend analysis. A sustained fall in positive cases and subsequently deaths will be a good indicator that things are headed in the right direction. May be a while before we see that though.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Ebola has a death rate of roughly 50%, 50% of deaths in london doesn't mean the same.

True mate - although I do think my point still stands.

Without testing we simply dont know the true infection rate therefore its impossible to work out the chances of every person dying with COVID-19 in their system having died down to the virus or not.

If 10% of the population has had it for example but largely asymptomatic you could argue that those (largely elderly) who die every day may have died of natural causes but like alot of the population had the virus in their system with little to no symptoms.

Until testing is done on a mass scale its peeing in the wind.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Liverpools economy relies heavily on the universities. The universities rely on foreign students and news reaches me that the number of enrolments from foreign students for September is catastrophically low. This lockdown needs to end asap and an economic recovery plan put into place. The consequences of an endless lockdown go far beyond short term deaths rates. The picture is much bigger.

BMD will become that vital for a good part of the cities economy that even the most bitter Reds wouldn't be able to argue against it being built at present.

 

[jamieni]

Liverpools economy relies heavily on the universities. The universities rely on foreign students and news reaches me that the number of enrolments from foreign students for September is catastrophically low. This lockdown needs to end asap and an economic recovery plan put into place. The consequences of an endless lockdown go far beyond short term deaths rates. The picture is much bigger.

Ending the lockdown won’t necessarily bring foreign students back though. I think international travel flows will be reduced for quite some time. The problem is the funding model for universities. They make more from international students than domestic.

 

[royalblue66]

BMD will become that vital for a good part of the cities economy that even the most bitter Reds wouldn't be able to argue against it being built at present.

Wonder how may r/s shirts will be claimed to have been put under the footings.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Liverpools economy relies heavily on the universities. The universities rely on foreign students and news reaches me that the number of enrolments from foreign students for September is catastrophically low. This lockdown needs to end asap and an economic recovery plan put into place. The consequences of an endless lockdown go far beyond short term deaths rates. The picture is much bigger.

Just had a walk through an industrial estate (work related), lockdown has unofficially ended by the amount of cars parked up at factory's and self employed vans tearing about compared to last week. Can't see it lasting now, people have had enough.

 

[Tea_drinker]

BMD will become that vital for a good part of the cities economy that even the most bitter Reds wouldn't be able to argue against it being built at present.

Agreed. Construction needs to be hastened. It's too risky to delay it under these circumstances. City needs to get moving again asap.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Ending the lockdown won’t necessarily bring foreign students back though. I think international travel flows will be reduced for quite some time. The problem is the funding model for universities. They make more from international students than domestic.

Its establishing a lack of confidence though.