Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[spectateur]

It is now standard practice in this country that for any problem in London, the resultant action is then automatically applied to the rest of the country even though the problem doesn’t exist there...

Same here in France, that what seems good for Paris is forced on the rural areas too.. For example the 80 km/h speed limit for non dual carriageway roads.

 

[Nymzee]

A relatively avoidable one, too. If the Government hadn't sat on its hands for two months the lockdown might not have needed to be brought in to the extent that it has been.

To be fair our lockdown is a breeze compared to some countries.

 

[Nymzee]

Well show some bloody empathy to those that are suffering or have friends and family that are suffering.

I am showing empathy... I think you've jumped into the discussion too far down the line yet again.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

They are around me.

Every car park is shut off so no car access – big logs across the road and stuff. Can only get there if you're exercising as that's all the footpaths can fit.

Same around me despite most folk sticking by the rules. Their is another large walking trail not too far out but they have shut the car park area despite it holding a maximum of about 8 cars - therefore those same folk who would have gone there and largely followed the rules will now be swamping somewhere else.

Just no common sense.

 

[havrey0123]

And warm welcome to Tory myopia, we've got the lowest numbers ICU beds in Europe, going into this. This storm was well warned and not heeded, laughed and jeered. This how Tory ideaology manages such a crisis, we reep what they sow!

What you think Corbyn and abbot would of handled it better.
Corbyn would of bought ventilaters for other countries and don't even get me to compare Diane abbot to rishi sunak.

 

[tsubaki]

I am showing empathy... I think you've jumped into the discussion too far down the line yet again.

I think you are meant to apologise for politicizing it, or get blocked (at least based on my experience).

 

[Nymzee]

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through previous infections or vaccination, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.

We have no vaccine and we aren't really scratching the surface with testing A.K.A. it's not really possible.

 

[Nymzee]

I think you are meant to apologise for politicizing it, or get blocked (at least based on my experience).

There are some very particularly prickly people in this thread.

 

[tsubaki]

What you think Corbyn and abbot would of handled it better.
Corbyn would of bought ventilaters for other countries and don't even get me to compare Diane abbot to rishi sunak.

Corbyn probably would have handled it better, because we would have had two months of the media asking what was being done to prepare instead of saying how glowing Carrie Symonds was, such a wholesome alternative to that Markle bint etc.

 

[canuckblue]

No chance of that I live in Cripple Creek plus there's no sun out as yet

Maybe The Band can swing by for some entertainment. Well, minus a couple of members...

 

[peteblue]

Perhaps, there is micro and macro responsibility i think. If you look at the virus as an echo map in social theory its very interesting, it infects the individual and then out to every other system in the field of influence outward to society, right to the top encompassing every aspect of social engagement, identity, aspect of society and governance. Its quite exceptional if you look at it from a systems theory perspective.

Then you look at application, if we take the UK as an example, before this arguably the nation has never seen so much of a split, polarization and social agitation with Brexit as a result in many ways this hit when the UK has been at one of it s most divided periods as a society, social cohesion and unity perhaps at one of its most all time lows.

I wonder is this having an impact on peoples tolerance, beliefs and trust in governance, protest and compliance and what impact that has on managing this virus. The UK is a fascinating case study in itself with this.

Without a doubt Systems theory is useful in understanding what is going on as indeed is Chaos theory. The Nation was undoubtedly divided and even now that we have a common enemy, those previous divisions are showing themselves as you can see from many of the posts. For me it is a strange concept that a virus generated in China, with a Chinese government hiding its outbreak and lying about the numbers, gets off scot free by those from the left, yet a U.K. PM, himself suffering from the virus, is vilified and called a mass murderer for no other reason than he’s from the wrong party...

 

[LinekersLegs]

If you want to go for 'herd immunity' or whatever you call it - which unfortunately until there's a vaccine is the only long-term solution - you have to ensure your healthcare system can hack it.

So you spend a month or the six weeks we had pumping as much money in as possible. You get the extra hospitals ready, you get the beds ready, the ventilators and PPE. You have the tests ramped up. You do all of that.

If it turns out you've overreacted, fine, but what it does is buy you time and that's what was needed.

Whilst I agree with the bits about expanding healthcare capacity, I still don’t think herd immunity without a vaccine is a solution. In a country as unhealthy as the US (or in places like Connecticut where 30% of the population is over 60) it will cause just far too many deaths and likely long term health effects as even many of the recovered currently show reduced lung capacity which could be permanent.

Keeping outbreaks down to bare minimum through testing/contact tracing until we have at least a better treatment for the severely ill is the only path I see.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm pleased to say that the park near us has been as good as gold the few times I've been in it. People getting a bit of exercise, plenty of social distancing, and no bellends sunbathing, having picnics or getting the bbq out.

I do feel sorry for people living in big cities Bruce, many of whom don't even have any garden space. There's more people than space, whereas down here there's more space than people.

People down here are sticking to the rules. Me and the missus go out for a walk every other day, and we make it a 3/4 mile walk. Our village is pretty sparse anyway, but once we are out in the countryside we hardly see a soul for 2 hours or more. We quite often end up on some rocky beach, accessed only from the coastal path, and we are invariably the only ones on it. Yesterday we walked down to what is normally a very popular sandy beach, and half expected to have to bypass it because it was a lovely day and thought there may be too many people on it. But it was practically empty. One lady walking her dog and an older couple of psychos going for their daily swim in the sea. Cars normally park on this beach, but the entrance was blocked off so maybe that had something to do with it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

All those people out and about in parks and sunbathing seem to be in and around London the worst hit area. If they're going to bring in more measures thats where they should be brought in .In the northwest everyone seems to be following the rules don't even see any teenagers hanging around .The chance of sunbathing would be a fine thing no sun all weekend.

I do have some sympathy for those stuck in flats or house with little or no gardens, what I don't have sympathy are those Londoners, who have come to Wales and be in their leisure homes in the last week or so!

 

[peteblue]

Same here in France, that what seems good for Paris is forced on the rural areas too.. For example the 80 km/h speed limit for non dual carriageway roads.

you’ll be getting congestion charges in the villages and hamlets next.....