True, especially since 911 calls are swamped.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Let's hope it has peaked.
Perhaps, there is micro and macro responsibility i think. If you look at the virus as an echo map in social theory its very interesting, it infects the individual and then moves out to every other system in the field of influence in society, right to the top encompassing every aspect of social engagement, identity, aspect of society and governance. Its quite exceptional if you look at it from a systems theory perspective.
Then you look at application, if we take the UK as an example. Before the virus arguably the UK has never been so split, polarizaraised and socially agitatated with Brexit and its impact. As a result in many ways this hit when the UK has been at one of its most divided periods as a society of social cohesion, national identification, unity and perhaps compliance in their history.
I wonder is this having an impact on peoples tolerance, beliefs and trust in governance. We are seeing forms of protest, civil disobedience and non compliance in the national effort and individual and self priority decisions taken, over decisions of social cohesion and unity.
What impact is that having on managing this virus!?
The UK is a fascinating case study in itself in all this.
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Could have stepped up production of ventilators. Ensured more hospital capacity (requisite private in advance if needed or build 4x Nightingales around the country, stepped up production and orders of tests, had PPE for NHS staff).
There's absolutely tons that could have been done in advance to help the NHS cope but conversely mean that any lockdown - which would have been needed - could be planned for (as @tsubaki says).
We wanted to go for what Sweden went for but have done none of the prep for it. And our population is a lot bigger.
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roydo
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Same here. From what I saw when I popped some stuff to my parents, very very quiet. No idea if the open spaces in Bristol were quiet mind. Knowing the lay out of the place, I doubt it.
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It is now standard practice in this country that for any problem in London, the resultant action is then automatically applied to the rest of the country even though the problem doesn’t exist there...
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France is using the same vigorous law enforced lock down method. We have still to see it is working, 19th day of it today.
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And the reverse.
If it doesnt happen in London, London doesnt care.
Exhibit A. Brexit.
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this is a waste of effort, but:
i) no significant orders for ventilators until end of March (thats why we are still sub 10000)
ii) no significant expansion of testing capability (using private labs) until early April
iii) no expansion of NHS staff (retired nurses/doctors etc) until mid March
iv) no expansion of NHS staff testing or arrangements for testing until early April (and no testing of the wider emergency services at all still)
v) no significant acquisition of relevant PPE for the NHS until end of March (with supply problems still being reported) or the other emergency services (please note how few cops in the photos of all this social distancing have a mask)
vi) private hospital capacity not taken over until 20th March
vii) no extra NHS hospital space (ie: Nightingale) started until 21st March
(edit) viii) no extra mortuary spaces arranged until end of March / early April
All of that could have been done in January or February (at the latest). It wasn't.
Undoubtedly
Onset of symptoms ~ 5 days https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/...-disease-2019-covid-19-from-publicly-reported
Time from symptoms onset to death ~ 18 days https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033357v1
So on average 23 days from infection to death - Spain on day 22 of lockdown
If you want to go for 'herd immunity' or whatever you call it - which unfortunately until there's a vaccine is the only long-term solution - you have to ensure your healthcare system can hack it.
So you spend a month or the six weeks we had pumping as much money in as possible. You get the extra hospitals ready, you get the beds ready, the ventilators and PPE. You have the tests ramped up. You do all of that.
If it turns out you've overreacted, fine, but what it does is buy you time and that's what was needed.
So you spend a month or the six weeks we had pumping as much money in as possible. You get the extra hospitals ready, you get the beds ready, the ventilators and PPE. You have the tests ramped up. You do all of that.
If it turns out you've overreacted, fine, but what it does is buy you time and that's what was needed.
We just have to hope - from a UK perspective - by day 21 of our lockdown (Tuesday 14th April) we have started to see a steady flattening of curses and deaths.
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And warm welcome to Tory myopia, we've got the lowest numbers ICU beds in Europe, going into this. This storm was well warned and not heeded, laughed and jeered. This how Tory ideaology manages such a crisis, we reep what they sow!
Totally agree here. It's a crapshow.
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