Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I’ve been cutting mine 4/5 times a week for two weeks. Your grass must be a foot tall.....

We exist in a weird eco system for some reason mate. Like it wasnt till the clocks change that the grass got any direct sun on it for months. And its not normal lawn grass, its meadow grass, which sort of clumps together instead of growing up.

Proper weird when I first noticed it.
 
'People need to learn how to endure harder times'

People are losing their jobs and businesses. Estimated 1/5 small businesses (each which will likely employ other people) will not make it through this. Those estimates are conservative.

They will be fine so long as those who have to rent their premises are given a rent holiday. If they are not then there will be carnage......
 
I think its fairly simple myself, the UK and Ireland need to stay in their individual forms of lock down until the end of April at a minimum.

Put very simply neither are ready to lift the very different measures both have put in place in my opinion.

I say that for a few reasons, the UK are continuing to see exponential growth in the virus, the figures are getting progressively worse while that is not backed up by good testing infrastructure. April wont see a peak it will see a surge then level off. The UK are behind on managing exponential growth, testing and contact testing infrastruture. Those Key things have to be in place for the next phase of management of reduced restrictions. Other aspects come into play like the chain of supply of PPE, resources like health care professionals being available - who might be getting the virus right now and supply of equipment. All these things need work or be put in place before the UK can consider reducing restrictions. In the context exponential growth the UK is still very fragile.

Ireland is that bit different, we are testing more per capita, have a clear testing policy are testing in the community and tracing contacts and we also put restrictions in place before the UK, i wouldnt be clapping ourselves on the back to much as we really need to improve the scope of our current infrastructure. Our measures have seen a slower rate in our exponential growth, we still do have a lot of heavy lifting to do, but we have seen a positive rate in our exponential growth per captia relatively speaking with the worst hit bigger countries Europe, as yet anyway. Our surge is coming in April to, but hopefully we will see measures impact positively as they have up to now. Our problem in managing April is going to be our chain of supply, particularity PPE and testing resources. We also wouldn't have the breath of health infrastructure as the Uk albeit a smaller population though, but a starker contrast of rural and urban divide to.

So by May in my opinion is that both the UK and Ireland will implement a sword and dance approach. The job of work for both countries in April, is to manage the surge within the health services and do their best not to be overwhelmed. By the start of May lifting some restrictions nees to be considered, a testing and contact tracing infrastructure, testing resources and the chain of supply of PPE and equipment needs to be put into place during April for this to happen. Restrictions that are lifted need to be considered carefully, it would be fool hearty going bank to normal life. Other variables will be advice on wearing masks etc for the general public in my opinion.

The "Hammer and Dance" approach i think is something we can expect to see. Release of restrictions and then more lock downs. Once restrictions are lifted we then need to plan for the next lock down which could be as early as July, August in my opinion, but that depends on the work done in April in flattening the curve, getting testing resources, putting testing and contract tracing infrastructure in place and having a chain of supply for all the essentials.

And so on it will be until 1) Heard immunity emerges of 2) A vaccine or better treatment. Probably those two thing working toward each other.
 
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Tbh mate I think thats the new media stereotype bull thats replaced narratives such as everyone on benefits is lazy and has a 60 inch TV.

Go round any town centre or city centre and its barren - just because folk are out exercising / walking dogs and not barricaded inside by armed forces doesnt mean its a jolly up.

No not the exercisers and joggers, the people sitying around sunbathing in parks and on beaches. Its still happening. Brockwell park in London has now closed as 3000 people turnwd up yesterday and were gathering in groups, sunbathing or having picnics.

Most city centres are empty but the parks, beaches and natyre spots are still busy
 
All the rich who have been tested are free to wander around and play in their massive gardens. The rest of us are stuck in inner city flats or terraced houses watching our money and futures dwindle away.

Wheeling some auld sponger out to patronise the peasants on tv adds nothing helpful to the situation.
 
Thanks.... but I was asking Nymzee as his response to not having a vaccine was to continue with the lockdown.

I wanted to check that he doesn’t believe this needs to continue until then, as we may be waiting a very long time.

A vaccine is unlikely to be cleared for at least 9 -12 months more, and even then will take time to be distributed to millions/billions of people.

If restrictions come off too soon, we go back to square one. Sorry to be pessimistic but I am actually an optimist by nature....also however a pragmatist.
 
They will be fine so long as those who have to rent their premises are given a rent holiday. If they are not then there will be carnage......

Well it's not just that is it Pete, though that's definitely part of it.

For example, my cousin and her boyfriend have been planning on opening a vegan (I know, I know) cafe in Headingley for the last year-and-a-half. They finally got it off the ground in November.

Now it's all gone. Their supply chain (who themselves have lost work, obviously), their business, their staff have lost their jobs. All of the money they've pumped into it.

Hopefully - but they're not yet sure they can qualify - they can get a grant. They'll get nothing from the SEISS. It is what it is but at the same time it's utterly devastating for them and what will they have left at the end of it?

Their health? Hopefully, yeh, they won't have had COVID-19 (which given their both in their 20s and healthy enough probably wouldn't do them much harm) but mentally they might be in real trouble. It's crap.

So I just find comments such as 'learning to deal with harder times' a bit flippant, is all.
 
Well it's not just that is it Pete, though that's definitely part of it.

For example, my cousin and her boyfriend have been planning on opening a vegan (I know, I know) cafe in Headingley for the last year-and-a-half. They finally got it off the ground in November.

Now it's all gone. Their supply chain (who themselves have lost work, obviously), their business, their staff have lost their jobs. All of the money they've pumped into it.

Hopefully - but they're not yet sure they can qualify - they can get a grant. They'll get nothing from the SEISS. It is what it is but at the same time it's utterly devastating for them and what will they have left at the end of it?

Their health? Hopefully, yeh, they won't have had COVID-19 (which given their both in their 20s and healthy enough probably wouldn't do them much harm) but mentally they might be in real trouble. It's crap.

So I just find comments such as 'learning to deal with harder times' a bit flippant, is all.

The should be able to get the £10k grant and the staff furloughed. If they can retain the premises the supply chain will come back as indeed will their staff. The council should be phoning them to give a code to access the grant. If the council don’t get in touch they should write to them or give them a call. They will need support, perhaps financially but certainly from family who need to help them keep their spirits up. Banks will help if they can get through. This will not go on forever and business will return and when it does it will be higher than before for a couple of weeks as people regain their freedom. Whatever happens please don’t let them throw their hard work away....
 
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