CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

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No, no, we've now moved on to arguing over whether we'd have been playing Millwall in the Semi's, as we could have drawn City or United., dependant on numerous variables.

God bless the internet.

Ah right.

Im a firm believer in fate myself.

Every action we perform, now matter how small, changes the future.

My daughters friends Mother was run over a few Years ago, she was a lovely woman, but if she had stopped, for even a second at any point during her ill fated walk, things might have gone differently, thats the difference between life and death, 1 split second.

But I think the bigger issue really is this.

WHO CARES, WE GOT BEAT
 
Okay so we all know about the butterfly effect: How, in a system as complex as the historical process, small changes in one place can result in large and unpredictable changes in other parts of the system further down the line. And that it can be a useful way of summarising the small changes that ripple out from a divergence, and should be used as an excuse for including various scenarios in the timeline.

I think this is complete crap. When someone creates a fictional world to serve as an element in a story, he is constrained by the other elements of the story, and, unless restraining himself, free to modify the course of history to fit with those elements. He can use any number of divergences, and set their outcomes to whatever works best for the story. If a few unlikely accidents and coincidences are needed to create cows landing on Mars, or whatever, so be it.

Trying to use the butterfly effect in an argument is completely pointless.

Firstly, realism. We have no way of knowing what a real alternate history would look like, and the task is too complex for any realistic simulation, even if we had enough data. Consider the weather. If a butterfly flapping its wings can cause a hurricane, then what impact would the differing movements of hundreds or thousands of people have? Consider the vast number of people born each year, with various talents and abilities that are highly dependent on the circumstances of their conception. Given how altering the destiny of one or two men can change the course of history, how can you hope to alter that of thousands without making the world quickly and unpredictably unrecognisable?

The answer is that you don't. Looking at alternative histories is a fundamentally fantastical exercise. Its goal is to either amuse or instruct. With the first, you can do more or less what you want, provided you create the intended effect. With the second, you need to restrict yourself to working out the logical implications of the divergence, with a certain fudge factor to account for your own areas of ignorance, while making the assumption that all else is equal.

Which brings us on to possibility. Using the butterfly effect as a means of expanding the range of possible outcomes is equivalent to saying anything can happen. Absolutely anything. It means that you have abandoned the constraints of causality, and so cannot say anything about the underlying mechanisms of history.

Ball 1 was always going to be Wigan or Everton. It was pulled out alongside Ball 4. They are the only two facts that are necessary here.

Has this post actually just happened?
 
I see him looking for offers this summer, Kenwright allowing him to take the best part of that summer to look, Moyes not getting a sniff of a bigger job because 'bigger clubs' know he's a bottler, and Moyes eventually signing up again in late July/early August.

So do I, and in my opinion it would be deeply embarassing for the club.
 
People also underestimate the constant struggle that is keeping us there. It's not like putting together a single good squad one year entitles you to stay at that level forever. When you're forced sell your best players every year, you have to replace them every year. With a pitiful net spend and often a negative one.

That is a fair comment, however, Moyes has been part of the regime that has sold this position as acceptable to the fans.
 
The Europa League would not be enough to change David Moyes decision to leave.I think only qualification for CL would do that.
Even then I feel that if David Moyes does extend his stay at Everton his contract will be full of escape clauses.

It would be interesting to know how the players feel about him leaving or staying,in particular youngsters such as Duffy,Garbutt,Vellios and Barkley.
 
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