City to bid £20 mil for Rodders...

[Welton Toffee]

We should demand one billion dollars, muhahahahahahaha.

 

[BigBlueConk]

So we're agreed then! The one thing City have been doing is paying over the odds on many of the players they have bought!
This (the fee) depends on how much they want him.
We will all find out soon enough.

 

[davek]

It's all very well demanding big money for Rodwell - the fact of the matter remains that the club's finances are dire and everyone knows it. Other clubs know that Kenwright will be looking to refinance the club with the sale of a player and will be desperate to get cash in in whatever volume. If the club wasn't known in the industry as a financial basket case living hand to mouth, then it could probably hold out for a big one off sale that achieves stability. As it is, I think it'll take the sale of 2-3 big names from the first team to claw in around £25M to achieve financial stability and give Moyes at least something to replace lost players with.

Rodwell will go for around £15M and Heitinga and Bily will be offloaded for another £10M. The latter two players aren't sought after players by CL chasing teams.

 

[Neiler]

You can demand £80m if you like, doesn't mean you'll get it !. The fact remains that Carroll, Milner and any other player you can point to were playing for England, playing week in week out for their club and dominating games, first name on the team sheet. The extortionate prices for both Milner and Carroll reflect all things combined, their age, their nationality, the fact they went to clubs in the same league, their current ability as well as their potential.

Fact is Rodwell is nowhere near that standard at the moment. One day he might be but then again he might not push on. Though i'll tell you one thing, he'll need games to fulfill that potential ability thats for certain, and it'd be detrimental for his career to make any big move at this stage. If Rodwell cemented his place in our team next season, and started getting into the England team, THEN he might be worth £25-30m. But not now, City would be quite frankly stupid to pay it. If they do, then brilliant for us, but i get the feeling just because they have money to throw away, doesn't mean they will.

Indeed so why sell, may as well hang on untill hes 50 mill - like i say appreciating asset.

 

[Neiler]

It's all very well demanding big money for Rodwell - the fact of the matter remains that the club's finances are dire and everyone knows it. Other clubs know that Kenwright will be looking to refinance the club with the sale of a player and will be desperate to get cash in in whatever volume. If the club wasn't known in the industry as a financial basket case living hand to mouth, then it could probably hold out for a big one off sale that achieves stability. As it is, I think it'll take the sale of 2-3 big names from the first team to claw in around £25M to achieve financial stability and give Moyes at least something to replace lost players with.

Rodwell will go for around £15M and Heitinga and Bily will be offloaded for another £10M. The latter two players aren't sought after players by CL chasing teams.

The levels of depression you could hit mate if this didnt happen are truly frightening.

 

[Cookachoo]

Indeed so why sell, may as well hang on untill hes 50 mill - like i say appreciating asset.

What if he's not as good as some suggest ?. He might never be worth £20m again. I could live knowing we'd sold a very good player for £20m, i'd be gutted if he got into the first team, was a bit of a let-down and the boat had gone. I personally don't rate him as high as others, as has been said before by others, i feel he'll be something of a Carrick / Jenas type.

 

[davek]

The levels of depression you could hit mate if this didnt happen are truly frightening.

Bizarre comment that.

 

[Neiler]

What if he's not as good as some suggest ?. He might never be worth £20m again. I could live knowing we'd sold a very good player for £20m, i'd be gutted if he got into the first team, was a bit of a let-down and the boat had gone. I personally don't rate him as high as others, as has been said before by others, i feel he'll be something of a Carrick / Jenas type.

And there in lies the crux wheather you beleive hes an immensely gifted player or an also ran. I beleive the former, which is why i beleive he should stay the benift outways the loss for me, in terms of future resale value if needed and squad depth.

Take Rooney as an example, many at the time would have conveyed a simliar opinion about him as yours about Rodwell. 24 million looks a poor deal now considering he would prob go for about 80mill. Chris Smalling is another example, many said "who" when he went for 12 mill, it looks a snip now given his performences and his tender age with his whole career ahead of him - a value should take into account the longevity of the career, which is why Andy Carrol is worth 35 mill and say Van Der Varrt worth 8 mill.

 

[kenada_blue]

You can demand £80m if you like, doesn't mean you'll get it !. The fact remains that Carroll, Milner and any other player you can point to were playing for England, playing week in week out for their club and dominating games, first name on the team sheet. The extortionate prices for both Milner and Carroll reflect all things combined, their age, their nationality, the fact they went to clubs in the same league, their current ability as well as their potential.

Fact is Rodwell is nowhere near that standard at the moment. One day he might be but then again he might not push on. Though i'll tell you one thing, he'll need games to fulfill that potential ability thats for certain, and it'd be detrimental for his career to make any big move at this stage. If Rodwell cemented his place in our team next season, and started getting into the England team, THEN he might be worth £25-30m. But not now, City would be quite frankly stupid to pay it. If they do, then brilliant for us, but i get the feeling just because they have money to throw away, doesn't mean they will.

The big factor on those fees were the clubs reluctence to sell. Both milner and Carroll are not 20mill players and they won't be worth that in a few years either. But both Newcastle and villa didn't want to sell and therefore are in a better position to put whatever figure they wanted

It doesn't matter about ability, its about who's in the driving seat to set the fee. End of the day, if a club wants a player and that club is richer and playing at the top level it must mean said player is valued by that club and they will pay for him

rodders is already the most rumoured transfer in the league.

 

[Cookachoo]

And there in lies the crux wheather you beleive hes an immensely gifted player or an also ran. I beleive the former, which is why i beleive he should stay the benift outways the loss for me, in terms of future resale value if needed and squad depth.

Take Rooney as an example, many at the time would have conveyed a simliar opinion about him as yours about Rodwell. 24 million looks a poor deal now considering he would prob go for about 80mill. Chris Smalling is another example, many said "who" when he went for 12 mill, it looks a snip now given his performences and his tender age with his whole career ahead of him - a value should take into account the longevity of the career, which is why Andy Carrol is worth 35 mill and say Van Der Varrt worth 8 mill.

Well why not take Jeffers as an example ? Chris Smalling was playing week in week out for Fulham prior to January when United paid £12m for him, thats the difference. Of course the longevity of the career is a factor in any transfer fee, but the calibre of the player is always the main factor.

The big factor on those fees were the clubs reluctence to sell.

It doesn't matter about ability,.

Of course the clubs were reluctant to sell, because those players were immediate starters !! Without doubt the clubs best player, in each case. Rodwell is not our best player, he can't even get into the team. To say it doesn't matter about the players ability is utter tosh.

 

[Neiler]

Well why not take Jeffers as an example ? Chris Smalling was playing week in week out for Fulham prior to January when United paid £12m for him, thats the difference. Of course the longevity of the career is a factor in any transfer fee, but the calibre of the player is always the main factor.



Of course the clubs were reluctant to sell, because those players were immediate starters !! Without doubt the clubs best player, in each case. Rodwell is not our best player, he can't even get into the team. To say it doesn't matter about the players ability is utter tosh.

Or take Jeffers as an example of someone who never fulfilled his potential and a move harmed his development by sitting on the bench for beards. As for Smalling he made 15 apperances for Fulham last season, 3 as a sub and nine in the league.

Take Bale and Walcott, both were championship players, with championship expierence, and went for 10 mill and 12 mill respectively without caps or PL expierence and that was about 5 years ago.

 

[Cookachoo]

Exactly, i'm not saying a move would be in the best interests of Rodwell, i don't feel it would, but i think it would be in the best interests of the club.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is the same situation as Bale and Walcott, he'll go for roughly the same price this summer, as will Wickham, doesn't matter that it was 5 years ago. Its the going-rate for a young star in the Championship.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Or take Jeffers as an example of someone who never fulfilled his potential and a move harmed his development by sitting on the bench for beards. As for Smalling he made 15 apperances for Fulham last season, 3 as a sub and nine in the league.

Take Bale and Walcott, both were championship players, with championship expierence, and went for 10 mill and 12 mill respectively without caps or PL expierence and that was about 5 years ago.

So instead of following last seasons trend and selling a 'big name' for lost of cash and buying 3 new players, would you rather gamble by keeping hold of Rodwell? That would mean selling a lot of squad players and attempting to find gems on free's etc again.

I can't make my mind up whether I think the lad is going to make it or not. If he had a firm position I'd be more inclined to say keep the kid but he doesn't seem to fit in anywhere. Your examples of Bale and Walcott are good, however they are least knew roughly where they played best, Jack is a CB, DM, CM, and AM all in one.

I'd probably say flogging him for the highest cost and addressing our more immediate concerns is a more sensible way to go about things. BUT only if Moyes gets 90% of it to spend, and has two wingers and a striker lined up to replace him!

 

[Neiler]

Exactly, i'm not saying a move would be in the best interests of Rodwell, i don't feel it would, but i think it would be in the best interests of the club.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is the same situation as Bale and Walcott, he'll go for roughly the same price this summer, as will Wickham, doesn't matter that it was 5 years ago. Its the going-rate for a young star in the Championship.

You know id be tempted to blow our load on two players mate, Cardozo or Wickham.

I think everyones frustration is apparant, its more to do with available funds then it to do with players or this season - we are actually doing better then last.

I remain optimistic for a few reasons:

1) Arteta doesnt do two bad seasons on the trot.
2) Gueye, Rodders Big Vic, Coleman have another year under there belts.
3) Our style of play has changed markedly from tip tap to more direct and effective football.
4) We will see Barckley and one or two others begin to filter through next season.
5) I think some of the low hanging fruit, Yak, Yobo, Heit, Billy, Vaughan will give us a bit of captail to play with this summer without the need to touch any of the jewels, unless a transfer request is handed in.
6) We prob hit about 65% of our potential on average in most of our games this season - this should be improved on.
7) Even at our second best we are still up and around the buisness end.

 

[Neiler]

So instead of following last seasons trend and selling a 'big name' for lost of cash and buying 3 new players, would you rather gamble by keeping hold of Rodwell? That would mean selling a lot of squad players and attempting to find gems on free's etc again.

I can't make my mind up whether I think the lad is going to make it or not. If he had a firm position I'd be more inclined to say keep the kid but he doesn't seem to fit in anywhere. Your examples of Bale and Walcott are good, however they are least knew roughly where they played best, Jack is a CB, DM, CM, and AM all in one.

I'd probably say flogging him for the highest cost and addressing our more immediate concerns is a more sensible way to go about things. BUT only if Moyes gets 90% of it to spend, and has two wingers and a striker lined up to replace him!

Yes, i would id keep this squad togehter. There is enough diversity in it. We should stretch to a striker if we get rid of the low hanging fruit, which is really the only thing we need, in addition to maybe loans or a free. The young players like Rodwell, Coleman Fellaini, Gueye, Vic etc need to grow togehter - they will improve, just like we saw with Lescott, Baines, Arteta, Cahill, Jags, etc when they first appeared and improved. Added to that another layer potentialy coming through in the Barckleys and Hopes. The blend at the moment is just right.

Otherwise if Rodders goes then we will be having the same tread about Barckley in two years time, just as we were with Rooney 5 or 6 years ago.