2017/18 Beni Baningime

[orly]

You've got the wrong generation mate.
I'm talking about Giggs, sharp, Keane, Scholes, Beckham, solsjaer.

Yes, I know - what I'm saying is, they did have subsequent successful generations too, so it is repeatable,as you've shown.

Solsjkaer? Brought in mate. had played 150 games in Denmark by that point. We apparently had the chance to buy him and turned it down https://www.thefreelibrary.com/CITY...+snubbed+chance+to+buy+goal+ace...-a061152895

 

[Axlswhk]

Yes, I know - what I'm saying is, they did have subsequent successful generations too, so it is repeatable,as you've shown.

Solsjkaer? Brought in mate. had played 150 games in Denmark by that point.

They did produce talent sporadically but never able to duplicate another golden generation that filled 3/4 of the team.

They bought solsjaer at a young age, develop him with the same generation. We're doing something similar, nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is, we must not let our generation go to waste.

 

[Connor]

Far too many John Merros in our support. Any kid that plays one decent game is hyped up beyond belief. Is it any wonder lots feel the pressure and flop. Golden generation I keep hearing. Tone it down lads and let kids develop. Stop declaring them the next Makalele etc on one game. Chill.

TT, are you like 22 or 72? Alls you do is moan la.

Can't be healthy for a young man.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...bing-group-young-stars-Golden-Generation.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ters-might-just-buck-english-trend-live-hype/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tom-davies...eading-evertons-new-golden-generation-1601318

http://readeverton.com/2015/09/03/analysing-evertons-golden-generation/

Take no notice of the bottom two. Just sites that follow the words used by proper publications to work algorithms for clicks.

We've a good academy, no doubt about that but 'Golden Generation' is trotted out once you get 3/4 players making their debuts within a 12/18 months span. Very hyperbolic but they're fine players no doubt.

'Golden Generation' is very Martinez. I'm sure he said it too.

 

[johnnydawg68]

We had no money. We had defeatist managers. And we still have an ultra defeatist chairman. The whole club needs to change. Throwing a bunch of kids in isn't gonna make all our problems vanish.

Am I a bit of romantic? yes. I'd love nothing more than to see a team full of actual Blues playing for the Everton shirt. Do I want to get relegated with said group? Hell no.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Why? It means that someone considers them as one of the best 20 odd England players for their respective age group. The fact that manager after manager for years hasnt been able to deliver a bit more success than the senior team has "achieved" is as much to do with the utter shambles of English managers than the shortage of decent players.

But the current crop of English players is a bit crap, granted.

But when manager after manager fails you also have to question the overall quality of the players the country produces. Especially when two of those managers where previously successful foreigners.
Anyway since this is the Baningime thread, let’s hope he lives up to expectation and chooses to play for DR Congo for his own sake.

 

[orly]

They did produce talent sporadically but never able to duplicate another golden generation that filled 3/4 of the team.

They bought solsjaer at a young age, develop him with the same generation. We're doing something similar, nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is, we must not let our generation go to waste.

Not really, Beckham et al. had been there since they were kids, and he joined in '96. But it's a discussion about another club.

If they are good enough, they will play. The problem is, there's not really the evidence yet that they are good enough and we just aren't in a league position to blood them in.

 

[johnnydawg68]

Not really, Beckham et al. had been there since they were kids, and he joined in '96. But it's a discussion about another club.

If they are good enough, they will play. The problem is, there's not really the evidence yet that they are good enough and we just aren't in a league position to blood them in.

Not to be argumentative, but don't you think the exact same conversations might have been had by United supporters back then? And they had a helluva lot more to lose by playing those kids.

 

[orly]

Not to be argumentative, but don't you think the exact same conversations might have been had by United supporters back then? And they had a helluva lot more to lose by playing those kids.

Dunno, were they in danger of being relegated? I genuinely don't know. We also don't have world class talent around them to carry the youngsters through; our youngsters would need almost instantly to be star performers.

 

[DanEFC92]

http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2017/10/25/baningime-proud-of-everton-debut

 

[DanEFC92]

What a nice lad. BENI BENI BENI

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Lets just let Baningime develop at his own pace, if anyone will know how to handle him in the first team it will be Unsworth.

I won't get too carried away personally. I remember thinking McAleny could be a player for us after he almost scored against Arsenal

 

[johnnydawg68]

Dunno, were they in danger of being relegated? I genuinely don't know. We also don't have world class talent around them to carry the youngsters through; our youngsters would need almost instantly to be star performers.

No but they were winning things and dropping out of the CL places would have been disastrous for them. Point is there's always risk, no matter where you are in the pecking order.

 

[orly]

No but they were winning things and dropping out of the CL places would have been disastrous for them. Point is there's always risk, no matter where you are in the pecking order.

But again, they're the class of '92. Giggs had already had a solid season in 91/92, Schmeichel had already come in, Mark Hughes, Brian McClair, Irwin, Bruce, Kanchelskis etc etc.

Our lads would have to come in and play alongside Williams, McCarthy, Jagielka, a totally shot to bits Baines, Lennon, a woefully out of form Schneiderlin and Gueye etc etc. That United side had just finished second, and the Premier League hadn't started. Totally, totally different environment, it's incomparable.

 

[Axlswhk]

Not really, Beckham et al. had been there since they were kids, and he joined in '96. But it's a discussion about another club.

If they are good enough, they will play. The problem is, there's not really the evidence yet that they are good enough and we just aren't in a league position to blood them in.

What evidence do you need?

Kenny is better than Martina
Barkley is arguably a better number 10
DCL is better than Rooney as an out and out striker
Beni is better than Schneiderlin( I know it's only one game, but if you stop playing him, you'll never know how capable he is)
Vlasic is better than klassen
Lookman is better than siggy down the flanks
Pickford is better than any other keeper we have.

What do you mean by not good enough?
If they are producing more to help us get out of our woeful position, I don't see any reason not to play them.

 

[orly]

What evidence do you need?

Kenny is better than Martina
Barkley is arguably a better number 10
DCL is better than Rooney as an out and out striker
Beni is better than Schneiderlin( I know it's only one game, but if you stop playing him, you'll never know how capable he is)
Vlasic is better than klassen
Lookman is better than siggy down the flanks
Pickford is better than any other keeper we have.

What do you mean by not good enough?
If they are producing more to help us get out of our woeful position, I don't see any reason not to play them.

This is the problem, right here, in a nutshell.
He's played one game. Last season everyone was going (rightly) bonkers for Schneids.

Unrealistic expectations and mad summarising , completely bogged down in sentiment.

Yes, Kenny is better than Martina : but the point being missed here is NEITHER is good enough and we aren't in a position to carry Kenny while he learns to be.