BBC Breakfast - EFC

[mkrudden]

EITC is great, but it begs the question why people at Everton can literally create a world class charity from the ground up but seem to be completely incompetent at any other aspect of the business of running a football club. Abysmal at commercial dealings, awful at retail, terrible at comms or PR, until recently they’ve been shocking at talent acquisition and recruitment. Yet the same people have created the conditions to allow an absolutely world class charity to grow.

What is up with you lately my friend?

 

[Saint Domingo]

What is up with you lately my friend?

Gylfi is making me question my views on football and now I’m questions everything.

 

[davek]

EITC is great, but it begs the question why people at Everton can literally create a world class charity from the ground up but seem to be completely incompetent at any other aspect of the business of running a football club. Abysmal at commercial dealings, awful at retail, terrible at comms or PR, until recently they’ve been shocking at talent acquisition and recruitment. Yet the same people have created the conditions to allow an absolutely world class charity to grow.

Because people like Baxendale-Barrett are ace at bending arms to get charitable donations and finding willing donors and getting it to target groups. She excels at that.. and hats off to her for it. As a corporate CEO however - and this goes for numb nuts Elstone and Wyness and Dunford before her - she is not at the races. The club seem to think that promoting from within is a commendable thing when the work that they formerly carrried out is chalk and cheese from what they then ask them to step up to do.

That's ^^^ also down to a situation whereby we have had owners of late who dont want determined and powerful men/women in the CEO role because they want to rule and take the major decisions themselves.

 

[mkrudden]

Gylfi is making me question my views on football and now I’m questions everything.

lollollollol

 

[mkrudden]

Because people like Baxendale-Barrett are ace at bending arms to get charitable donations and finding willing donors and getting it to target groups. She excells at that. As a corporate CEO however - and this gors for numb nuts Elstone and Wyness and Dunford before her - she is not at the races. The club seem to think that promoting from within is a commendable thing when the work that they formerly carrried out is chalk and cheese from what they then ask them to step up to do.

That's ^^^ also down to a situation whereby we have had owners of late who dont want determined and powerful men/women in the CEO role because they want to rule and take the major decisions themselves.

How can she possibly be judged after about 15 mins in the job Dave?!

 

[davek]

How can she possibly be judged after about 15 mins in the job Dave?!

Fair point.

However, my question to you would be 'what's her credentials to take the job on?'

I talk to people away from this forum (it might surprise you!) and they are all of one mind: we need industry experts and not people who will almost certainly confirm the Peter Principle.

 

[wba83]

1/ it does exceptionally good work and deserves to be commended in its own right
2/ it really isn't Everton FC - its a separate entity
3/ the biggest error it ever made was throwing in with the Tory school academy idea (though I accept this was the moron Elstone's hobby-horse and that he placed pressure on this closely aligned organisation to take it up)
4/ maybe a bit cynically I tend to think there's an inverse relationship between EFC's failure to progress on and off the pitch and the push to gain publicity for EitC - the club basically has a parasitic relationship with the latter, shamefully

Boils down to one thing .They doing good for people who are having a bad time in life .Why pick the bones out of it with he said she said nonsense . Like you say in quote 1 eitc is a good thing so regardless if it's Everton or not witch is it undoubtly is by the way embrace it for the good they do .

 

[Philw]

I'm not doing that. This is one of those bugbears I've consistently brought up in the past. I think the EitC itself is great organisation doing valuable work; I think the club play its part...but I also maintain the right to state that it isn't the club itself (it's a separate entity) and that the club have used the success of EitC and bathed in it to deflect away from their own disastrous attempts to make us a winning organisation on the pitch and to provide the great leap forward on the infrastructure front.

To me that is a very reasonable and honourable position to take.

Yes, that is a fair point, but to say that there isn't a connection or that the club and its members don't contribute to their work is an insult to the club imo.

I feel that is quite cynical, and even if it was the clubs attention, I don't think that any of the fans are accepting of the clubs performance anywhere else due to the good work that EiTC do. I think we are right to be proud of EiTC's work and the clubs part in it, but that doesn't make me feel any better about the mess Koeman, Allardyce and co. made of our season last year!

Honourable? Think that's pushing it a bit far!!

 

[Groucho]

I covered that in point #1.


I said all that too.

I've just never liked the way the club has seized on this organisation and its achievements. Yes there's an important crossover and that should be acknoweledged (which I do). However, my main gripe is that the club cling closely to EitC's achievements to mask the undoubted fact that they are horrendously inept at either providing us with a winning football team or making important strides forward with infrastructure.

So my view is this is a beneficial relationship for the users of that chairy but that, cynically, the club also get to hide behind it and use it to deflect.

That is a legitimate criticism imo.

Is it not a case of being negative for the sake of it though?

 

[SerenityNigh]

1/ it does exceptionally good work and deserves to be commended in its own right
2/ it really isn't Everton FC - its a separate entity
3/ the biggest error it ever made was throwing in with the Tory school academy idea (though I accept this was the moron Elstone's hobby-horse and that he placed pressure on this closely aligned organisation to take it up)
4/ maybe a bit cynically I tend to think there's an inverse relationship between EFC's failure to progress on and off the pitch and the push to gain publicity for EitC - the club basically has a parasitic relationship with the latter, shamefully

You should have stopped at 1

 

[SerenityNigh]

Legally separate entities. They are not one and the same. As said, there is a convenient and parastical relationship there for EFC. Yes, they lend their name and occasionaly resources to EitC but they are not the same. It's the difference between, say, the London Marathon and an associating official charity.

You should listen to EBM mate, it would do your soul good

 

[SerenityNigh]

EITC is great, but it begs the question why people at Everton can literally create a world class charity from the ground up but seem to be completely incompetent at any other aspect of the business of running a football club. Abysmal at commercial dealings, awful at retail, terrible at comms or PR, until recently they’ve been shocking at talent acquisition and recruitment. Yet the same people have created the conditions to allow an absolutely world class charity to grow.

In some measure because if there were 20 world class charities in England it would be harder for EITC to stand out

 

[Saint Domingo]

In some measure because if there were 20 world class charities in England it would be harder for EITC to stand out

Every single football club has the resources and opportunity to do what we’ve done with EITC. The positive branding it would give clubs even if they didn’t care about any of it would still make it a no brainer so I’m surprised they all dot do it as well as we do.

 

[Ruairi77]

EITC is great, but it begs the question why people at Everton can literally create a world class charity from the ground up but seem to be completely incompetent at any other aspect of the business of running a football club. Abysmal at commercial dealings, awful at retail, terrible at comms or PR, until recently they’ve been shocking at talent acquisition and recruitment. Yet the same people have created the conditions to allow an absolutely world class charity to grow.

Well, they've put the person who made the charity what it is in charge of the whole club. They've found new investment, they've bought a great site for a new stadium, they have plans in place to grow every aspect of the club but a lot depends on success on the pitch. I used to complain about how the club was being run but now I see it moving in the right direction, taking it's lead from EITC.

 

[davek]

Is it not a case of being negative for the sake of it though?

No. It's a case of examining the motives of the club - something we do a lot on here. There is no negativity toward EitC, the reverse in fact.

The club underperform on just about every metric available and over a long period. My guess is that they seed EitC with a certain amount of cash and resources in order to both do good AND cover over the fact they are incompetent and have failed in their core activity and reason to exist.