Angus 'happily dissatisfied' Kinnear

Definitely. And the more we slip away from the “if we throw a bit of money at it in January, we will very likely get into Europe” scenario, the more it makes perfect business sense for them to wait til summer.

Sadly.

We could have really forced their hand if we’d accidentally won a couple more games.

….spot on. AFCON and the KDH injury have set us back, I’d be confident we’d still be in the cup and just out of the top4 otherwise. If that was the case we could well have pushed for transfer funding.
 
They only joined after the transfer window opened, Nick Cox even later in the year
Yes and they have had experience to digest from that window and time to plan and improve for this window. Still a couple of weeks left of course but i remain unconvinced. Striker and right back whether bought or on loan was vital as early as possible and that has been obvious for months.
 
Definitely. And the more we slip away from the “if we throw a bit of money at it in January, we will very likely get into Europe” scenario, the more it makes perfect business sense for them to wait til summer.

Sadly.

We could have really forced their hand if we’d accidentally won a couple more games.

I don’t think their hand would’ve been forced regardless. In September after we’d just collected 6 points from the first 3 games the village idiot couldn’t get his mug out there quick enough to tell us we wouldn’t be doing any business in January.
 
Yes and they have had experience to digest from that window and time to plan and improve for this window. Still a couple of weeks left of course but i remain unconvinced. Striker and right back whether bought or on loan was vital as early as possible and that has been obvious for months.
You were talking about the summer window which they weren't part of.

We don't know what they are doing, maybe we've asked but clubs with decent strikers and right backs do not want to sell half way through the season.

I'd rather we kept the squad as it is rather than bring in players that aren't good enough and hopefully for the first time in a long time we'll be ready to plan and bring in players before the pre season starts.
 
I don’t think their hand would’ve been forced regardless. In September after we’d just collected 6 points from the first 3 games the village idiot couldn’t get his mug out there quick enough to tell us we wouldn’t be doing any business in January.

As I said Friday for the same insult;

Let's not resort to name calling, it only reflects poorly on the community here. Any criticism becomes invalid when people start resorting to insults.

... last time I remind you, it's a lot easier to click the warning button.
 
You were talking about the summer window which they weren't part of.
Yes they were in place in June 2025. There was only James Smith didn’t arrive till September. Regardless of that they still had plenty of time to look back at that window and evaluate what was currently needed for the January window.
 
….i honestly wonder if the owners see us in ‘no-man’s land’ with regard to this season. Looking safe, out of the cups having invested heavily in the summer on a couple of big money signings that are contributing little (Dibling & Barry).

Probably some monies available this month but very little, maybe use any income generated from outgoings.

Take stock at the end of the season.

The owners intention is key mate. For us as fans the goals are trophy winning and qualify for Europe - for them its a return on their investment - the two aren't mutely exclusive but they are nuanced.

For an example of a nuance, we have an opportunity for Europe this season as the crow flies, logic would dictate this is good and a couple of signings that make marginal gains say a right back and forward may go on and enable that.

The squad overall is need of massive work still, the large bulk of that will continue to be done over summer windows. However if we qualify for Europe ahead of schedule this, instead of being able to spend 85% of our increased turnover made this season, we will only be allowed spend 75% under Uefa regulations.

I suppose if im an owner a question id be asking is, is my investment better off pushing for Europe ahead of schedule this year and is the current Everton squad strong enough to go Thurs to Sat next season and qualify for Europe again for me to enjoy the consistent benefit of more revenue. Or is it better to spend 85% of what we earn in increased revenue this summer continuing to build the squad up to a point that its deep enough to compete of a PL front and European front in a seasons time and qualify consistently for Europe.

As an emotional fan this season, i want Europe put as a pragmatic owner i do see the dilemma if managing a long term investment and wanting sustained success and Europe most seasons.
 
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The owners intention is key mate. For us as fans the goals are trophy winning and qualify for Europe - for them its a return on their investment - the two aren't mutely exclusive but they are nuanced.

For an example of a nuance, we have an opportunity for Europe this season as the crow flies, logic would dictate this is good and a couple of signings that make marginal gains say a right back and forward may go on and enable that.

The squad overall is need of massive work still, the large bulk of that will continue to be done over summer windows. However if we qualify for Europe ahead of schedule this, instead of being able to spend 85% of our increased turnover made this season, we will only be allowed spend 75% under Uefa regulations.

I suppose if im an owner a question id be asking is, is my investment better off pushing for Europe ahead of schedule this year and is the current Everton squad strong enough to go Thurs to Sat next season and qualify for Europe again for me to enjoy the consistent benefit of more revenue. Or is it better to spend 85% of what we earn in increased revenue this summer continuing to build the squad up to a point that its deep enough to compete of a PL front and European front in a seasons time and qualify consistently for Europe.

As an emotional fan this season, i want Europe put as a pragmatic owner i do see the dilemma if managing a long term investment and wanting sustained success and Europe most seasons.

Just to elaborate on this a little it does seem at the moment, there are competing agendas and needs at the club and Angus needs to get on top of that.

The manager has a short term focus on immediate success, the club may have a longer term strategy - both for recruitment and progression. That creates a natural tension - that i suspect we are seeing played out this window. I find the links to established En-Nesyri and Wilson interesting because that tells me Moyes is pushing behind the scenes for marginal gains right now.

That conflict and tension isnt necessarily bad, you want a natural tension in an organization, if managed correctly then it can be healthy and progressive. Its Angus's job to manage that, while also to nuture people in their roles and put boundaries in place to operate.

I think people need to be clear on what Angus's role is here, its not to be popular, his job is to protect and improve the TFG investment that's who employs him. Thats not necessarily mutually exclusive to the welfare of Everton - but its important to be very clear what his role and remit is. Despite the powder puff things he will convey in the media. about the club.

One of the key things for Angus right now - is to have a clear message throughout the organisation of what we want to achieve for the rest of the season and what parameters and resources the club will put in place to achieve that and he needs to manage that natural tension and dynamic amongst the key stakeholders.
 
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Well, a CEO oversees all areas of the business - but I think it's clear people are continually confusing a CEO with a DOF.

Easy to do, previous Everton CEOs had a Chairman and DOFs doing the updates, which include transfers.

No doubt Kinnear has an involvement in transfers, its a key component of the business of which he is CEO. Wyness, Elstone and Baxendale would have too.

We dont know the extent to which, but my read of it now is the head honcho on recruitment is Moyes. I think that because moved away from a DOF model he didnt like, and in doing so we appointed 4 people 'to support the manager', one of them was Manchester City director of scouting and recruitment James Smith - who is very much a Moyes pick;



I don't think any of us will know for sure, but I think Moyes makes the call and it's on others to work get them over the line. So when he's publicly courting Liam Delap, and it doesn't happen - there's sufficient blame there on others.
There is no head honcho according to Kinnear.

He was very clear to stress that all signings are made by committee with representatives from the scouts, analysts, and Moyes himself.

He was very clear to stress the collaboration he was facilitating.

It looks like it's produced poorly and he's being criticized because Kinnear is the one who decided on this set up, again something he takes credit for a LOT during his ToffeeTV interview in September.
 
There is no head honcho according to Kinnear.

He was very clear to stress that all signings are made by committee with representatives from the scouts, analysts, and Moyes himself.

He was very clear to stress the collaboration he was facilitating.

It looks like it's produced poorly and he's being criticized because Kinnear is the one who decided on this set up, again something he takes credit for a LOT during his ToffeeTV interview in September.

Shocker! A CEO talking up collaboration?!

Of course there's a massive team with input into transfers. The club employ teams of analysts to give briefing on each team as part of match prep, it doesn't mean they're deciding who plays upfront. Moyes does.

I don't pay a lot of attention to what any CEO says - it's too filtered to an agenda, but I do recall him saying how the team put in place was there to support the manager. Coincidentally, I'm sure, that same teams most important figure just happens to be the guy who has supported Moyes at several jobs. Actions>words.

Someone always makes the decision - my view is TFG makes the decision on investment/budget and whether to pay, and Moyes makes the ultimate call on what to act on/who to sign.

If you believe Kinnear, or some other suit is telling Moyes who is going to be in his team - then fair enough. I'd be very surprised.
 

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