Well, if you read what I typed - you'll see I explained why I mentioned it. I was confused before at you creating arguments that weren't there, but now, through your own admission, you don't bother reading which explains it.
Well, if you read what I typed - you'll see I explained why I mentioned it. I was confused before at you creating arguments that weren't there, but now, through your own admission, you don't bother reading which explains it.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
You're pulling articles from over a decade ago and ignoring what Kinnear himself has said.
Whatever Moyes did 10 years ago has no relevance to what he's doing now under Kinnear's set up that he explained last September.
The latest quote there was from January 2025 before Kinnear came in and changed everything.
As I said 'A tad dated now but some coverage I always recall when it comes to Moyes/transfers given its insight into Moyes/transfer prep'
It's had 87 clicks since I post it, so I'm sure some will find it interesting anyway... it's coverage that even a decade later, sticks in my mind.
I balanced that by providing a recent article from Moyes which again reaffirmed he's obsessive over recruitment - he's not sat there passively letting others give him a shortlist to choose from.
He's involved at every stage, and as you said - he has to approve every single player who comes in. That then, makes him, in my view, the main driver - and rightly so when we don't have a DOF.
Yes, but like I said, he would say that because he's the CEO. It's in his interests to say that he's the one setting the strategic direction of the club, he's not necessarily a reliable narrator. This happens all the time in corporate environments, and in football too. Someone spends all their time telling everyone that they're in charge and they're the one making the decisions and the buck stops with them but then it doesn't work out and suddenly they decide it wasn't their idea after all and they were only doing what they were told. Again, i'm not saying he's not telling the truth but I think it's mad to just say yeah it's 100% the case because he said so, it's just the same as people who genuinely believe Steve Walsh when he says that Haaland would have signed for us but Moshiri wouldn't pay 50p for him at a time he was peeing millions up the wall.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
Yes well done for driving them some traffic but I still don't see why a twelve year old interview, that's now two owners in the past as well, has more relevance than the words of the CEO last September.
As for what Moyes said it was said in January 2025 before Kinnear got the CEO job and changed the entire recruitment process.
What did he even say there:
“It’s got to be right. It’s got to be right for Everton, and that’s why I’ve always probably taken my time, maybe a little bit longer, to try and hope that I get it right more often. It’s my way of going about it.”
Well this summer he was the one giving the negotiating department a boot in the arse to get deals done.
“We’re in a world now where things move much faster, but I always try to get as much right as I could. I think managers live and die by their recruitment. You have to get your recruitment right.”
Ok, that doesn't change anything Kinnear said in September either. Kinnear has said he made it a three way committee and two parts of it were staffed and answer to him. That entitles him to two thirds of the blame imo.
Moyes isn't picking these players on his own, he's picking them after they've been provided by these people Kinnear put in place.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
I don't have any reason not to believe him when he says the idea of not having a director of football was something he pitched in his interview with the Friedkin's.
We also know he picked the staff he hired over the summer. I don't see any reason to believe he didn't.
So if they've failed to provide good recruitment options then I think he bears some of the responsibility for the failure of the set up he was taking credit for publicly setting up.
ForeverEverton
Player Valuation: £50m
We are the only Premier League club with this model, are the 19 other clubs wrong and we have got it exceptionally right?
You'd have to say the summer window despite signing 9 or 10 players only 2 are any use to us ATM, one of them is injured.
Barry, Aznou and Dibling might come good in the years ahead and signing 2 back up keepers is just pointless and a waste of money.
AND we still had glaring holes at FB whcih everyone could see, they let the window close without even trying to fill them.
Committee model has failed, who are we buying players for Moyes or TFGs vision of Everton, both are different things and that seems to be causing the blockage.
You'd have to say the summer window despite signing 9 or 10 players only 2 are any use to us ATM, one of them is injured.
Barry, Aznou and Dibling might come good in the years ahead and signing 2 back up keepers is just pointless and a waste of money.
AND we still had glaring holes at FB whcih everyone could see, they let the window close without even trying to fill them.
Committee model has failed, who are we buying players for Moyes or TFGs vision of Everton, both are different things and that seems to be causing the blockage.
And like I said - twice - I’m not saying he’s not telling the truth, but saying it’s ‘nonsense’ to suggest anything else purely because he gave an interview saying what we’re doing is his idea is incredibly naive. He might be the one making the decisions but even if he isn’t, when he gives an interview with the clubs official channels he’s clearly going to suggest that he is. It’s not really a controversial point, it’s pretty obvious.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
Unless you've got someone else claiming it was their idea then I'm going to take what the CEO is going around saying he did in public as truth.
I don't see any reason not to believe it. You haven't given me one.
That's not naivety, it's just taking the CEO at face value when there's absolutely no reason not to.
bluesb1970
Player Valuation: £25m
You’re right about needing them to bed in. Not sure about the summer though. I think it was correct not to splash the cash. It was also correct to fill some bodies for the squad. The “transfer team” weren’t in place, so it was right not to go big on players. The real judgement will come after next summer. Even then I don’t think they will splurge huge amounts. We need to grow smoothly, especially after the last few years of madness
I have given you reasons, you’re just choosing to ignore them. That’s obviously your prerogative and you’re totally entitled to do it, but framing it the way you are just makes you look like a kid sticking their fingers in their ears when they’re being told something they don’t want to hear so they can pretend it never happened. It absolutely is naïveté to think that everything a CEO says can be taken at face value. Do you think it was true when Keith wyness said that Kirkby was ‘the deal of the century’, that there was ‘no other option’ and that if we stayed at Goodison ‘attendances will inevitably go down’? If you don’t, then you’re being disingenuous saying there’s no reason not to believe kinnear. If you do, I’m being very kind in calling you naive, there are probably more apt words I could use.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
On the balance or probability I find it far more likely he was telling the truth.
I'm not going to just assume he was telling a fib to big himself up.
This is a lot of mental gymnastics to go through to question whether the CEO is the reason we don't have a DOF as he said himself.
But again you’re framing the argument totally differently. I’ve repeatedly said I’m not claiming he’s lying and I’m not asking you to say he is either, I’m just saying you have to acknowledge that it wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprising if he was. I’m not doing any mental gymnastics at all, I’m saying I have no idea who’s responsible for making strategic decisions at Everton but I will take claims like the one kinnear made with a pinch of salt. He might be telling the truth, he might not, but acting like anything he says must automatically be true is a frankly astonishing level of naïveté, to the point that I find it difficult to you could possibly be so daft and assume you’re now just trolling.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
All I've been saying here is that given nobody else from the club is coming out and claiming otherwise, I am going to believe the CEO when he says that the change to get rid of a DOF was his idea.
He stated this in his first interview on the OS. He repeated it in September with the ToffeeTV lads.
I'm choosing to believe what the CEO said about it being his sales pitch to the owners because I don't have a better reason to assume that it was done at Moyes' request.
Yes, he COULD be lying to take credit for something he had nothing to do with, but given we have NO indication that has happened I am not going to assume it is the case.
