Andy Dunn likes Bill Kenwright

[dholliday]

Aye, I suppose so.

Rooney was only 18 and was very hit and miss in his last season for us. A great talent, no doubt, but he wasn't worth more than 20m until he exploded in Euro 2004. That actually upped his price.

 

[Moomin]

What's my age got to do with anything?

Not everyone follows every angle of stories about the board and their proposed ground moves.

So...got a link?

I'm assuming you might not know about Kings Dock due to how young you are.

Try Google and stick Everton Kings Dock move into it.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Can you link that story, mate? Can't say I'm that familiar with it.

I don't blame Liverpool fans for having a good laugh about this.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Well, this is a depressing thread.

 

[dholliday]

I'm assuming you might not know about Kings Dock due to how young you are.

Try Google and stick Everton Kings Dock move into it.

Nowt to do with age. This story I do remember now that I read it again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

But I'm not from Liverpool, and 10 years ago was only following the football, not bored (sic) stuff. You can't expect every Evertonian to be into these stories. It was only ever a proposed move anyway, nothing concrete. Kirkby was bigger news outside of Liverpool.

Still, Kenwright had an ambitious plan, but he was up against other developers. His bid lost out as the commission lost faith in Everton's ability to finance the £155m package, which is hardly surprising. Kenwright certainly didn't want this to fall apart.

Or what is exactly the problem? Kirkby seemed viable for a time as it was gonna be half-paid for by Tesco. Financially, it made some kind of sense.

Now? Now, we still have Goodison with no real options on the table.

What would you have Kenwright do? Resign because he failed to move us to King's Dock? What's the new owner gonna do, suddenly make it happen?

The whole discussion about ground move I'm sure is very fascinating, but can't we have this debate without a few ultras laying into Kenwright? This stuff is massively complex, you know. Like one of us said earlier in the thread: football fans are the best in the world at spending other people's money.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Nowt to do with age. This story I do remember now that I read it again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

But I'm not from Liverpool, and 10 years ago was only following the football, not bored (sic) stuff. You can't expect every Evertonian to be into these stories. It was only ever a proposed move anyway, nothing concrete. Kirkby was bigger news outside of Liverpool.

Still, Kenwright had an ambitious plan, but he was up against other developers. His bid lost out as the commission lost faith in Everton's ability to finance the £155m package, which is hardly surprising. Kenwright certainly didn't want this to fall apart.

Or what is exactly the problem? Kirkby seemed viable for a time as it was gonna be half-paid for by Tesco. Financially, it made some kind of sense.

Now? Now, we still have Goodison with no real options on the table.

What would you have Kenwright do? Resign because he failed to move us to King's Dock? What's the new owner gonna do, suddenly make it happen?

The whole discussion about ground move I'm sure is very fascinating, but can't we have this debate without a few ultras laying into Kenwright? This stuff is massively complex, you know. Like one of us said earlier in the thread: football fans are the best in the world at spending other people's money.

Hahaha

 

[dholliday]

The asking price is outrageous, especially when you consider that Robert Earl was invited to buy 23% of Everton for £7m in 2007. I'm not sure what the board have done since then to justify the club's overall value increasing by more than £100m.

Every (stable) club in the Premiership has drastically increased in value in the last 6 years, as this is boom-time. Global markets are spending far bigger sums than 6 years ago on TV rights and merchandise. Thus, the 'product' is more valuable now.

The valuation is relatively fine, as a ballpark figure.

Maybe his poor, downtrodden Bill act would wash with more Blues if he didn't constantly lie to us. The way he carried on over the Arteta money was ridiculous.

Which lies? What carry on? I'm not going off on another google hunt. Back up what you're saying, mate...otherwise it just sounds bitter. And considering how well things are going, bitter doesn't suit us.

 

[Moomin]

Nowt to do with age. This story I do remember now that I read it again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

But I'm not from Liverpool, and 10 years ago was only following the football, not bored (sic) stuff. You can't expect every Evertonian to be into these stories. It was only ever a proposed move anyway, nothing concrete. Kirkby was bigger news outside of Liverpool.

Still, Kenwright had an ambitious plan, but he was up against other developers. His bid lost out as the commission lost faith in Everton's ability to finance the £155m package, which is hardly surprising. Kenwright certainly didn't want this to fall apart.

Or what is exactly the problem? Kirkby seemed viable for a time as it was gonna be half-paid for by Tesco. Financially, it made some kind of sense.

Now? Now, we still have Goodison with no real options on the table.

What would you have Kenwright do? Resign because he failed to move us to King's Dock? What's the new owner gonna do, suddenly make it happen?

The whole discussion about ground move I'm sure is very fascinating, but can't we have this debate without a few ultras laying into Kenwright? This stuff is massively complex, you know. Like one of us said earlier in the thread: football fans are the best in the world at spending other people's money.

Our input was 30 million for 50% of a 300 million pound stadium. Bill Kenwright said the money was ring-fenced. This was our dream ticket to take us onto the next level of competing with the likes of Spurs.

 

[Moomin]

Also, Tesco was not giving Everton one penny for the Kirkby shambles.

 

[roydo]

We lost to Arsenal and Utd didnt we?

****ing feels like it reading this ancient history.

 

[dholliday]

Our input was 30 million for 50% of a 300 million pound stadium. Bill Kenwright said the money was ring-fenced. This was our dream ticket to take us onto the next level of competing with the likes of Spurs.

We are competing with Spurs, aren't we? Not in the transfer market, but certainly in the table and on the pitch (which is what matters). Competing thanks to our Chairman authorising the high wages our players are on (the 40k cap is long gone), so that they stay. Granted, the Sky 4 clubs pay even more for their players, but considering our lack of European competition, it's not surprising.

We lost to Arsenal and Utd didnt we?

****ing feels like it reading this ancient history.

innit.

 

[Moomin]

We are competing with Spurs, aren't we? Not in the transfer market, but certainly in the table and on the pitch (which is what matters). Competing thanks to our Chairman authorising the high wages our players are on (the 40k cap is long gone), so that they stay. Granted, the Sky 4 clubs pay even more for their players, but considering our lack of European competition, it's not surprising.




innit.

Its all about opinions, you think Bill is doing a good job and i don't.

 

[dholliday]

Its all about opinions, you think Bill is doing a good job and i don't.

Fair enough. It's a bit like how Martinez likes to look at the positive side, the good things that are happening. And Moyes liked to focus on the negative side, on where we were coming up short.

I know which side of the fence I'm on, mate. Grass is certainly greener here.

 

[Rook]

Nowt to do with age. This story I do remember now that I read it again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

But I'm not from Liverpool, and 10 years ago was only following the football, not bored (sic) stuff. You can't expect every Evertonian to be into these stories. It was only ever a proposed move anyway, nothing concrete. Kirkby was bigger news outside of Liverpool.

Still, Kenwright had an ambitious plan, but he was up against other developers. His bid lost out as the commission lost faith in Everton's ability to finance the £155m package, which is hardly surprising. Kenwright certainly didn't want this to fall apart.

Or what is exactly the problem? Kirkby seemed viable for a time as it was gonna be half-paid for by Tesco. Financially, it made some kind of sense.

Now? Now, we still have Goodison with no real options on the table.

What would you have Kenwright do? Resign because he failed to move us to King's Dock? What's the new owner gonna do, suddenly make it happen?

The whole discussion about ground move I'm sure is very fascinating, but can't we have this debate without a few ultras laying into Kenwright? This stuff is massively complex, you know. Like one of us said earlier in the thread: football fans are the best in the world at spending other people's money.

I think Tesco was just going to let us use the parking lot, uh maybe. Was never really against the move as suburban stadia are pretty common here in the states. I guess there could have been some good tailgaiting there. Every potentail owner knows that with the 200M that you'd spend on the squad its going to take another 300M to get a stadium up. Unless there is a groundshare. Anyway with TV revenues climbing a new stadium is going to have a lot less impact than it would say 10 years ago.

 

[Minimeister]

Fair enough. It's a bit like how Martinez likes to look at the positive side, the good things that are happening. And Moyes liked to focus on the negative side, on where we were coming up short.

I know which side of the fence I'm on, mate. Grass is certainly greener here.

The George is certainly Greener here roffle