Andy Dunn likes Bill Kenwright

[mutley]

say what you want about blue Bill but he can certainly pick a good manager.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Didn't Kenwright say at the time after 5mins with Martinez he knew he was the right man for the job. Credit where credit is due I was one of those who didn't want Martinez, but Roberto obviously created an impression with kenwright, like his football is making an impression with the supporters. However he now needs to focus on finding investment for the club to support Martinez and his footballing philosophy and to find a suitable site for a new ground within the city.

 

[Carlito]

Every (stable) club in the Premiership has drastically increased in value in the last 6 years, as this is boom-time. Global markets are spending far bigger sums than 6 years ago on TV rights and merchandise. Thus, the 'product' is more valuable now.

The valuation is relatively fine, as a ballpark figure.

You talk as though football club owners are just getting free money to throw around. As TV revenue goes up, all other costs jump with it, particularly players' wages and transfer fees. If it was as rosy as some seem to think there'd be no need for Kenwright to take out high interest loans with a mystery off-shore corporation every summer.

Newcastle (£134m), Man City (£210m) and Liverpool (£300m) have all been sold in recent years for fees that, if you consider the value of their assets and revenues, suggest a lack of realism on Kenwright's part.

Everton have no tangible assets, having sold them all off in the last decade or so, and, according to the great man himself during Destination Kirkby, Goodison Park fell down two or three years ago.

Which lies? What carry on? I'm not going off on another google hunt. Back up what you're saying, mate...otherwise it just sounds bitter. And considering how well things are going, bitter doesn't suit us.

Everton forced the Echo to issue an apology after they claimed Arteta was sold to appease the bank: http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/echo-apologise-to-everton-over-arteta-article/

Kenwright then went so far as to say that the money would be available to Moyes the following January: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...verton-spend-January-says-Bill-Kenwright.html

Obviously what he meant to say was that Moyes would be allowed to spend whatever he made from selling Bilyaletdinov.

January rolled around and, lo and behold, it turned out the money did go to the bank after all: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/10/everton-tottenham-david-moyes?newsfeed=true

"I think everybody knows that the bank wanted the money. I think you all knew that," said Moyes.

You seem oddly keen to argue the toss over events that you have no interest in following.

 

[teameverton]

Really? How old are you??

I am old and I would like to see the link, because I cant remember it either. Not that I am thinking its the sort of mis information that banded about like.

 

[dholliday]

You talk as though football club owners are just getting free money to throw around. As TV revenue goes up, all other costs jump with it, particularly players' wages and transfer fees. If it was as rosy as some seem to think there'd be no need for Kenwright to take out high interest loans with a mystery off-shore corporation every summer.

Newcastle (£134m), Man City (£210m) and Liverpool (£300m) have all been sold in recent years for fees that, if you consider the value of their assets and revenues, suggest a lack of realism on Kenwright's part.

Everton have no tangible assets, having sold them all off in the last decade or so, and, according to the great man himself during Destination Kirkby, Goodison Park fell down two or three years ago.



Everton forced the Echo to issue an apology after they claimed Arteta was sold to appease the bank: http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/echo-apologise-to-everton-over-arteta-article/

Kenwright then went so far as to say that the money would be available to Moyes the following January: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...verton-spend-January-says-Bill-Kenwright.html

Obviously what he meant to say was that Moyes would be allowed to spend whatever he made from selling Bilyaletdinov.

January rolled around and, lo and behold, it turned out the money did go to the bank after all: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/10/everton-tottenham-david-moyes?newsfeed=true

"I think everybody knows that the bank wanted the money. I think you all knew that," said Moyes.

You seem oddly keen to argue the toss over events that you have no interest in following.

That's a decent response, Carlito...not gonna argue with any of that other than to say that I can understand Kenwright's swerving of the questions about the Arteta money, I can understand his valuation and I can understand why Everton had to sell some assets. Don't necessarily agree, but these aren't the worst crimes a chairman can commit against his club.

Recent history is littered with historically-successful clubs going down: Leeds and Blackburn have won the title more recently than us, yet they're no longer part of the top table, chiefly down to poor finance management. Like us, they lack a global brand. Unlike us, they over-reached and got burnt.


I understand there is an argument that using transfer money to pay off high interest loans may not benefit the club in the best way. On the other hand it may be have saved us from future problems. I believe our situation is financially quite good now. That, plus our new manager, means I'm willing to trust Kenwright up to the next couple of transfer windows. Martinez might find himself with the means to make a marquee signing.


And regarding why I'm defending our chairman even if I admit I don't follow all the board stories, I just don't like the personal attacks on the man. I feel it cheapens the debate, and I'm convinced now we have one or two red imposters stoking the fires. Furthermore, I agree with the second part of the anti-Board view, which is that the other board members aren't active enough. There's barely any communication from them, nevermind signs that they're helping to invest. This is something which should change, one way or another.

 

[dholliday]

I am old and I would like to see the link, because I cant remember it either. Not that I am thinking its the sort of mis information that banded about like.

I had to google it mesenn, mate...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

 

[Carlito]

That's a decent response, Carlito...not gonna argue with any of that other than to say that I can understand Kenwright's swerving of the questions about the Arteta money, I can understand his valuation and I can understand why Everton had to sell some assets. Don't necessarily agree, but these aren't the worst crimes a chairman can commit against his club.

Recent history is littered with historically-successful clubs going down: Leeds and Blackburn have won the title more recently than us, yet they're no longer part of the top table, chiefly down to poor finance management. Like us, they lack a global brand. Unlike us, they over-reached and got burnt.


I understand there is an argument that using transfer money to pay off high interest loans may not benefit the club in the best way. On the other hand it may be have saved us from future problems. I believe our situation is financially quite good now. That, plus our new manager, means I'm willing to trust Kenwright up to the next couple of transfer windows. Martinez might find himself with the means to make a marquee signing.


And regarding why I'm defending our chairman even if I admit I don't follow all the board stories, I just don't like the personal attacks on the man. I feel it cheapens the debate, and I'm convinced now we have one or two red imposters stoking the fires. Furthermore, I agree with the second part of the anti-Board view, which is that the other board members aren't active enough. There's barely any communication from them, nevermind signs that they're helping to invest. This is something which should change, one way or another.

I hope something does happen sooner rather than later. I'd love to see Martinez be given the chance to make one or two significant signings without losing a big player first.

I don't enjoy feeling the way I do about the people running Everton, but they've totally lost my trust over the years. The thought of them overseeing something as important as a new stadium terrifies me.

As I mentioned with Arteta, the stupid little lies do my head in as well. Who did they think they were kidding when they insisted the money for McCarthy was there regardless of whether or not Fellaini went to United? I know Martinez is a bit of a risk taker, but I doubt he fancied leaving it until the last half an hour to get his man just for the thrill of it.

Having said all that, I did enjoy the interview Kenwright gave to the Daily Mail in the wake of the Blue Union meeting. He was doing such a good job of making them out to be the Taliban until he went and claimed they'd been posting poo through his letter box

 

[Bluesnapper]

While Kenwright is there, you will always play in blue, you will always be Everton, you will always have a chairman who has the club in his blood.

..........you will always play in the city of Liverpool.

Oh wait a mo................thank god that little money making scam didnt come off for the chancer.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Every (stable) club in the Premiership has drastically increased in value in the last 6 years, as this is boom-time. Global markets are spending far bigger sums than 6 years ago on TV rights and merchandise. Thus, the 'product' is more valuable now.

Boom time indeed, and we havent increased our turnover to any degree for years now.

 

[dholliday]

Boom time indeed, and we havent increased our turnover to any degree for years now.

for anyone interested there are statement of accounts going back 10 years available here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/club/statement-of-accounts

I agree we haven't maximised revenue during these boom time years, but these figures do seem to support the view that Everton don't believe in pricing out the working class fan.

thank god that little money making scam didnt come off for the chancer.

So Kenwright's a chancer dreaming up money-making scams by staying at Everton for nearly 15 years and barely made profit in all that time?

What weird logic the anti-Kenwright brigade use.

I tell you who are chancers: the Americans leeching off the red clubs. The Glazers £600m leech loans, the Gillett/Hicks dodginess (Liverpool can count themselves extremely lucky they got out of that one alive).

How much of Ronaldo's £80m did Fergie see in his transfer kitty? Kenwright is a businessman and Chairman of our football club. He's within his rights to try to make profit, but he does it with the added bonus that he's got our best interests at heart, even if some of his ideas don't work out.


Some perspective from the ultras is required on this subject.

And at the risk of this thread just sounding like a continuation of the Board monster thread, maybe the mods could merge it.

 

[Omarza]

Something I was wondering about....with us now playing the way we do...positive and definitely a team that can be challenging for the top 4 on a regular basis IF we invest into strengthening the club. Wouldn't that maybe bring around a change of mindset in the owners. I mean...when Moyes was here the attitude was...get to 40 points and then see...wouldn't the owners then be very careful as it looked as if it would be impossible to compete regularly for a top 4 spot.

Now with Martinez it looks as things are happening...we are competitive and all of a sudden it seems we need investment BUT not massive investment to get there. Won't this maybe influence the owners to maybe start with that as this is the time to really take advantage of our situation and it won't take 100's of millions as many might have thought. Just a thought I was wondering about and hoping that we do get an attitude change at the top...triggered by our positive manager. I think the next 2 transfer windows will tell us exactly if that is the case...or if its wishful thinking from me. I understand the doubts everyone has...I have them too...but I am hoping

 

[dholliday]

I think the next 2 transfer windows will tell us exactly if that is the case...or if its wishful thinking from me. I understand the doubts everyone has...I have them too...but I am hoping

you're not alone, lad:

I'm willing to trust Kenwright up to the next couple of transfer windows. Martinez might find himself with the means to make a marquee signing.

in this thread and in the real world it's the majority feeling optimistic

 

[magicjuan]

Nowt to do with age. This story I do remember now that I read it again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/2940481.stm

But I'm not from Liverpool, and 10 years ago was only following the football, not bored (sic) stuff. You can't expect every Evertonian to be into these stories. It was only ever a proposed move anyway, nothing concrete. Kirkby was bigger news outside of Liverpool.

Still, Kenwright had an ambitious plan, but he was up against other developers. His bid lost out as the commission lost faith in Everton's ability to finance the £155m package, which is hardly surprising. Kenwright certainly didn't want this to fall apart.

Or what is exactly the problem? Kirkby seemed viable for a time as it was gonna be half-paid for by Tesco. Financially, it made some kind of sense.
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Now? Now, we still have Goodison with no real options on the table.

What would you have Kenwright do? Resign because he failed to move us to King's Dock? What's the new owner gonna do, suddenly make it happen?

The whole discussion about ground move I'm sure is very fascinating, but can't we have this debate without a few ultras laying into Kenwright? This stuff is massively complex, you know. Like one of us said earlier in the thread: football fans are the best in the world at spending other people's money.

The debate has been won by some drunken knobhead Evertonians.

If I was a cynic I would think Rossy was after his old job back with some of the stuff you have posted.

'Ultras'? Seriously, that is how you label the dedicated supporters that saved our club from wiping out it's history and heritage with an unlawful move to no mans land?

You display uninformed loyalty, misplaced and unbalanced, I hope you can see the irony in your posts?

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I'm pro-Kenwright. I'm slightly ashamed at how some ultra-blues are against their own kind (the pisstaking of Howard Kendall's drink problem, the ridiculing of Neville Southall's education levels because he worked as a bin man, the vicious slaughter of Bill Kenwright because he's not filthy rich when compared to Sheiks and fat Americans).

In terms of those who post of nothing else apart from anti-Kenwright stuff, I suspect an agenda, driven by jealousy that we have our own as an owner. An agenda well hidden by posting just as much anti-Liverpool to throw most of you off the scent.


Kenwright is not perfect, not by a long shot. But he's a blue and loves our club. And since he's been with us, we've been stable, avoided relegation fights and now the long-term game plan (of regularly qualifying for Europe and challenging for trophies) is looking healthier than ever.


I trust him that he's avoided selling us to some crappy Venky's-type owner, or some moneysucking nastiness like Gillett/Hicks, or even some criminal like Thaksin. Many other owners would have took the dodgy money and run a mile. I trust him that we've not gon into administration because of his steady hand.

Unfortunately, the anti-Kenwright hate is so strong in a minority of very vocal blues (and some secret reds) that the casual observer may think this represents majority opinion. It does not.

Good God...

 

[Chang Elephant]

I am old and I would like to see the link, because I cant remember it either. Not that I am thinking its the sort of mis information that banded about like.

This collective amnesia over such a short term period is worthy of study