Would we have gone down without Allardyce

[Papa Shango]

If Marco Silva was Everton manager and we where in the exact same place with the same points this thread wouldn’t exsist.
There would be a different thread

The reason being is simple, Silva narrative would have been about getting Everton in to Europe.

From the day Sam walked in all he has gone on about is being relegated and he’s fed the narrative so well that when we released the survey the media jumped to his defence, saying he does an amazing job. Even some Everton fans believe it, when in fact Sam has totally failed at Everton, this was his chance to shine in the biggest club job he’s even had with the 10th most expensive squad in Europe.

He took over after Everton had already played Man City, Chelsea and United away from home as well as Spurs and Arsenal at home. Been kicked out of Europe and the league cup. Leaving him a run of easier games with a week break between matches and a great chance to get us Europe again. We had played 14 games with 24 left, he has only managed to win 7 out of 20, even after spending 50 mil in January.

We also could have been talking about Silva being relegated two seasons running...

 

[anton66]

The problem with Mersons statement and anyone else prescribing to that thinking is that has to assume that nobody but Allardyce could have done a similar job with this team. He's assuming that other clubs make changes and improvements but, assuming we continue along the same trajectory.

This.
Was he trying to say Unsworth would have taken us down? or any other manager that we would have appointed instead of sam.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

Quite possibly.

People are forgetting just how bad we were.

 

[Lanolin]

Yup, I said at the time that if we survived everyone would be saying "Oh, we were never going down", and lo and behold here we are!

When you're down there it only takes a couple of bad results and you're looking at a potential disaster

The bullishness of some of people on this issue throughout the season has been frankly ridiculous

Except the bullish people have been shown to be absolutely 100% correct about the way things would pan out, while those panicking have been shown to have misjudged the situation to such an extent that a team they were convinced was the worst in the league has managed to drop no lower than 11th over a 20 game period, even under a manager that most of them want sacking for being useless. Which ones were ridiculous again?

 

[MrGrumpy]

Defo.

People are forgetting just how bad we were.

All hail ALLARDYCE our might saviour, let’s give him a 5 year contract.

Allardyce is a fraud who spun a line about relegation and ppl believe it.

 

[MercuryBlue88]

new manager bounce saved us. The spell when he first took over and ground out a couple of wins pulled us away. After that we fell back into the same form as pre Allardyce but had had the points on the board to protect us.

 

[MrGrumpy]

new manager bounce saved us. The spell when he first took over and ground out a couple of wins pulled us away. After that we fell back into the same form as pre Allardyce but had had the points on the board to protect us.

That’s because of negative tactics, Bolasie and Walcott have played as RB and LB in recent games, Tosun been sat on a sun lounger with his Flip flops on

 

[widnesbluealig]

why do people keep saying he done good job keeping us up, i could of kept us up for free

 

[Neiler]

I actually think we were at risk to be honest, the utter dirge that was Southampton and even as the season has gone our first team lack competency, getting a tune out of them that has equaled points isn't to be sniffed at.

 

[raithrovers94]

I voted no but still think big sam did what it said on the tin

 

[Neiler]

I voted no but still think big sam did what it said on the tin

Only accepts 100 pound notes? lol

 

[kenada_blue]

That Southampton performance was relegation material. Not an ounce of effort/care.

That's it right there. We were shipping 3+ goals a game.

First time for a decade i actually thought it was on the cards.

As for the original post...Down? No. Fighting relegation? Yes.

I think if we'd have got Silva in, we'd be sailing close to the wind all season.

The time Sam came in, went on a 8 game unbeaten streak, my nerves settled.

 

[kenada_blue]

It's not 'end of' though is it? Not everyone agrees that Allardyce hasn't improved the dire situation we were in and is as terrible as has been made out.

I have no idea whether we would have gone down, but if we hadn't have appointed him when we did there is a big chance we would have been in a relegation dogfight. It's something we will never know, but equally another manager could have come in and steered us to safety as Allardyce did but i'm still waiting to hear who these people were that were actually realistic targets at that time.

The West Ham game gets used to completely distort the situation at the time. The board 'panicked' BEFORE the West Ham game, that is a fact and can't be denied because if it wasn't accurate then he wouldn't have been sat in the stands during that game would he? Therefore, I prefer to view things before the West Ham game which is when the board made their decision. That was after a run of 5 defeats in 7 under Unsworth, and 9 consecutive games where we conceded 2 goals or more. We had the worst defence in the league after the Southampton game, and Southampton then went 2 months before winning a single league game and appear to be going down now. Going in to that West Ham game we were 17th, 2 points above the drop.

Yes there are other managers who 'could' have done as good or even a better job, but we will never know and therefore, Moshiri in my opinion was justified in going for the sensible option in Allardyce. He came in to guide us to safety and achieved that. I still want him gone though as he has proven he can't take us forward and cannot handle the expectation of being at a club who have far bigger ambitions than he has.

Stick that on the pinned post on the forum for me.

Summed up perfectly.

Also... everyone holds that West Ham game up as a saving grace and turning point of the whole season. A game that every pins and argument against for best performance, league position, reason for a manager etc etc.

Fundementally it was a must win game against a side who were in as much of a mire as we were and Rooney turned up. A complete one off game that hinged on not conceding a penalty in the 2nd half.

 

[Neiler]

Weren't Southampton and WBA ahead of us when he took over.

 

[ricer10]

If the club doesn't make some decisive management / squad decisions at the end of the season ...were in danger of getting relegated next year no matter who the manager is next season.