Would we have gone down without Allardyce

[peteblue]

 

[PeregrineT]

No, this team was never anywhere close to being relegated, no matter what the bed wetters said. The talent level we have, while poor for us, is worlds better than what the bottom teams have, and at this point it looks like 34 points would guarantee safety, less than 1 per game. People forget that the start of our season was the toughest of any team in the PL era, we had a brutal stretch to start with and while it went poorly, it distorted the start of our season. Koeman would have had us on the same points, as would Unsworth, if not more.

 

[magicjuan]

It's been less to with what we've done and more about what other teams have done/failed to do.
The influence of fixtures and runs of difficult games is more impirtant than ever and most of the teams around us at the time had difficult periods to follow, on paper anyway.
That gargantuan fraud knew that. The easiest ride he's ever had.

 

[Khalekan]

Allardyce did steady things and his appointment at least gave the players momentum to pick up much needed points when we were in danger. Not sure we would have been relegated though without him after that west ham game.

This is the thing.

It was OK the first few games.

Relegation was already in the rear view the day we drew with Chelsea just before Christmas.

We were all prepared to admit we may have been mistaken about him after we comfortably dispatched Huddersfield and Swansea and we loved how he popcorned Klopp....we even fluked a win at the Barcodes to end the away hoodoo.

Ship steadied, relegation fears banished, let’s push on and get into Europe next season.

Sam made it all look as easily as he said it was on the now notorious Andy Gray and the sleazeball TV show.

Then along came Baggies on Boxing Day and Bournemouth a couple days later and the real Sam Allardyce stood up.

Since then it has been just awful.

 

[Milkman]

Allardyce came in and did the one thing he was required to do and nothing more. He's really not worth the fume.

Unsworth might've kept us up and a better appointment might've pushed us closer to the top 6, but the big Dudley blob has fulfilled his primary function.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Would we have gone down without a new manager coming in and tightening things up at a critical period?

Yes

Did it specifically have to be Allardyce?

No

I personally wish we'd gone for a manager who could have kicked us on once safety was achieved, but we were definitely in the battle and a firefighter was required. There's no point denying that

It's easy to say after the fact that we weren't, but we were only mathematically safe as of the 19th April

Teams who haven't been flirting with the drop don't need to wait that long

 

[Kenshin]

At the time i thought differently so I will start by admitting i was a little bit wrong back in November.

the answer in my opinion is....yes and no. I don't think for one second Sam being here is the difference bwtween staying up and going down, the performances and results have been far too poor over the course of his time here to argue that. It seems any competent manager could have achieved us staying up and we have had many oppurtunites to add to our points tally that allardyce has thrown away with his half arsed away form approach.

So Hiring someone who wasn't a risk taker kept us up fair enough, it ended up being Alladyce that got the job. But before he came, i do believe still that we would have went down the way we were going. leaking goals, no fight, embarrassed most weeks etc, it was relegation form and the form that big clubs get sucked into when they believe they are too good to go down as we would have been thinking collectively.

So did sam specifically keep us up? no, but we needed a experienced less risky manager to come in to just sure us up and get those initial points to clear us.

 

[Kenshin]

At the time i thought differently so I will start by admitting i was a little bit wrong back in November.

the answer in my opinion is....yes and no. I don't think for one second Sam being here is the difference bwtween staying up and going down, the performances and results have been far too poor over the course of his time here to argue that. It seems any competent manager could have achieved us staying up and we have had many oppurtunites to add to our points tally that allardyce has thrown away with his half arsed away form approach.

So Hiring someone who wasn't a risk taker kept us up fair enough, it ended up being Alladyce that got the job. But before he came, i do believe still that we would have went down the way we were going. leaking goals, no fight, embarrassed most weeks etc, it was relegation form and the form that big clubs get sucked into when they believe they are too good to go down as we would have been thinking collectively.

So did sam specifically keep us up? no, but we needed a experienced less risky manager to come in to just sure us up and get those initial points to clear us.

 

[Huyton Layne]

Would we have gone down without a new manager coming in and tightening things up at a critical period?

Yes

Did it specifically have to be Allardyce?

No

I personally wish we'd gone for a manager who could have kicked us on once safety was achieved, but we were definitely in the battle and a firefighter was required. There's no point denying that

It's easy to say after the fact that we weren't, but we were only mathematically safe as of the 19th April

Teams who haven't been flirting with the drop don't need to wait that long

Bingo Mikey. Talent is irrelevant to relegation, if you don't believe that speak to Newcastle and Leeds fans. We were a bag of turds on fire and someone had to stamp on it quickly so we could become just a bag of smoldering turds.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Bingo Mikey. Talent is irrelevant to relegation, if you don't believe that speak to Newcastle and Leeds fans. We were a bag of turds on fire and someone had to stamp on it quickly so we could become just a bag of smoldering turds.

Yup, I said at the time that if we survived everyone would be saying "Oh, we were never going down", and lo and behold here we are!

When you're down there it only takes a couple of bad results and you're looking at a potential disaster

The bullishness of some of people on this issue throughout the season has been frankly ridiculous

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Think we'd have been in the relegation mix with Unsworth in charge - and given the current backbone and Leadership qualities of our squad, it would have been squeaky bum time no matter how bad the other teams are. Unsworth an unfortunate victim of a Trumpian skewering from Joseph Barton - he looked like a steward, and by the Southampton game he appeared to manage like one.

We'd have stayed up under Ron for a certainty, but would you have kept him on after the start he made this season? £200 million to crater the entire squad - chairman can't wear that. Koeman made his position untenable so really had to go - difficult mid-season appointment hasn't helped our current malaise but really all problems stem from Ron and Co's performance last summer / pre-season.

 

[Goat]

We were in trouble, but we had a YTS manager, any decent manager could have saved us, the fact that we have managed to get to safety despite getting beat most weeks highlights how easy it would have been.

 

[kiss the crest]

Allardyce came in and had an easy run of fixtures where he got points from, he also had Coleman and baines back, he also got Walcott in.

So he has done what me or anyone else could have done.

Show some ambition Everton for once and announce that he will not be here the summer as we have a direction to go in and Gravey tits is not part of it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I honestly think we'd be in much the same position had we kept Koeman tbh.

 

[davids]

No, this team was never anywhere close to being relegated, no matter what the bed wetters said. The talent level we have, while poor for us, is worlds better than what the bottom teams have, and at this point it looks like 34 points would guarantee safety, less than 1 per game. People forget that the start of our season was the toughest of any team in the PL era, we had a brutal stretch to start with and while it went poorly, it distorted the start of our season. Koeman would have had us on the same points, as would Unsworth, if not more.

Bet you were thinking that watching the Swansea game,we looked in a division above them didn't we.