Would we have gone down without Allardyce

[Papa Shango]

Probably not. We could have though as we were awful at that time.

 

[Papa Shango]

Allardyce came in and had an easy run of fixtures where he got points from, he also had Coleman and baines back, he also got Walcott in.

So he has done what me or anyone else could have done.

Show some ambition Everton for once and announce that he will not be here the summer as we have a direction to go in and Gravey tits is not part of it.

Coleman and Baines were not available for that "easy run" of fixtures.

 

[MichiganToffee-NSNO]

No I think we would have not gone down. I really don't think he did much to keep us up. As we can see by the Bournemouth loss he isn't some relegation savior. He plays to draw games and if we have any aspirations of competing for Top 4 anytime soon we need a manager who actually wants to win games. Not sub Defensive players on when we are tied with a team we should be beating.

 

[davids]

I honestly think we'd be in much the same position had we kept Koeman tbh.

Difficult one that,he started to look like he'd rather be anywhere else than on the touchline (golf course maybe)

 

[davids]

Coleman and Baines were not available for that "easy run" of fixtures.

Plus there are no easy games anymore,see Man U V WBA .I remember thinking how easy Watford away was going to be for us last season

 

[MikeH72]

Not necessarily, but we'd have come close with Koeman or Unsworth.

 

[tommytowne]

It's only my arrogance/delusion that says we would not be relegated.
The fact of the matter is that because of the amount of current issues encircling the club i.e. uncertainty around the manager/board/Kenwright/BMD, this is all a heady toxic mix which if not handled correctly, not the Everton way of course, then I can see us in the nether reaches of the Prem for a good few years.

 

[ham2]

People taking Paul mersons veiws seriously! This is truly the end.

 

[Gladystweet]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[ilikecheese]

I honestly don't think we would've gone down. That said, had we not made the change when we did, I am not convinced we wouldn't be clinging on for dear life today looking down at the table/fixtures wondering where we might scrape those last few points for safety.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

It's been less to with what we've done and more about what other teams have done/failed to do.
The influence of fixtures and runs of difficult games is more impirtant than ever and most of the teams around us at the time had difficult periods to follow, on paper anyway.
That gargantuan fraud knew that. The easiest ride he's ever had.

Good point mate. I remember when we were on a run of game where we were dropping plenty of points, but somehow managed to stay in 9th, showed how gash the prem is/was.

 

[Gladystweet]

What a subject to be arguing about.

Oh my Ev, what's happened to you?

 

[KindofBlue]

no i don't think we would. The board panicked. Like some others I think Koeman would be in roughly the same league spot as Sam had he stayed.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Yup, I said at the time that if we survived everyone would be saying "Oh, we were never going down", and lo and behold here we are!

When you're down there it only takes a couple of bad results and you're looking at a potential disaster

The bullishness of some of people on this issue throughout the season has been frankly ridiculous

If Marco Silva was Everton manager and we where in the exact same place with the same points this thread wouldn’t exsist.
There would be a different thread

The reason being is simple, Silva narrative would have been about getting Everton in to Europe.

From the day Sam walked in all he has gone on about is being relegated and he’s fed the narrative so well that when we released the survey the media jumped to his defence, saying he does an amazing job. Even some Everton fans believe it, when in fact Sam has totally failed at Everton, this was his chance to shine in the biggest club job he’s even had with the 10th most expensive squad in Europe.

He took over after Everton had already played Man City, Chelsea and United away from home as well as Spurs and Arsenal at home. Been kicked out of Europe and the league cup. Leaving him a run of easier games with a week break between matches and a great chance to get us Europe again. We had played 14 games with 24 left, he has only managed to win 7 out of 20, even after spending 50 mil in January.

 

[Papa Shango]

Plus there are no easy games anymore,see Man U V WBA .I remember thinking how easy Watford away was going to be for us last season

Yeah deffo.

We were moaning about drawing 1-1 against Swansea (and it was a poor performance) but they have beat Liverpool, Man Utd, Burnley and battered West Ham in their past 4 home games.