Van der meyde

[Neiler]

Actually ill give you that Pompey game, your right it was peterborough.

I just cant see it mate for me, more bad then good. The thing that speaks volumes for me and i know you disagree is Moyes not giving him a game, he forgave Dunc and the Yak etc for breaches and i dont think he is one to hold a grudge certainly not to the detriment of the team, you would have thought that Moyes would want to him succeed more then anyone given hes a big black blot on his otherwise impecable transfer record copybook.

At the end of the season i remeber Moyes saying that we didnt need more numbers but rather better quality as he felt there were some players he couldnt turn to as a viable option, i immediately thought of AVDM and Grav, they seemed like the most logical to me. I could be wrong,

I actually thought he made a fair effort to be defensive in the games he played granted he was [Poor language removed] but i wouldnt slate anyone for effort. I anticipated this pacey and skilfull winger that never materialised and i was as chuffed as anyone when we signed him. I watched him at Ajax and he was good not great but good, but the PL is a step up. I dont think he has the pace, tenacity, engine, or desire to make it in the P.L. hes good technichley but not better then Ossie, Arteta or Pienarr for me. His crossing from what ive seen at best isnt consistent at worse shambolic.

I sometimes watch the clip of that goal against Arsenal in the C.L. and think wow! But i watched the game live, he wasnt great overall, i think now at 28 he is passed it without ever having got there!

I will be happy to write a big i am a whopper melt thread if it turns out not to be the case like i did for Jags but i just cant see it mate.

 

[TX Bill]

...and yet the question still remains as to why Moyes just hasn't terminated his contract.

Sure we'd have to pay him but why not just pay him off and get rid of?

Like I said.

There is a reason Moyes hasn't done so.

 

[zero]

...and yet the question still remains as to why Moyes just hasn't terminated his contract.

Sure we'd have to pay him but why not just pay him off and get rid of?

Like I said.

There is a reason Moyes hasn't done so.

If he paid off Van Der Meyde where would that money come from?

presumably it would have to come out of his transfer fund and I'm sure Moyes wants every penny he can get through Kenwright's tight purse strings.

 

[TX Bill]

Yes but they owe him for the last year of his contract.

Surely that isn't gonna be enough to make a dent in Moyes' transfer budget.

And if both parties are smart, they'll negotiate it down a bit so he'd have the chance to go to another club, preferably Holland, sooner rather than later.

I believe there's another reason for Moyes keeping him around.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Actually ill give you that Pompey game, your right it was peterborough.

I just cant see it mate for me, more bad then good. The thing that speaks volumes for me and i know you disagree is Moyes not giving him a game, he forgave Dunc and the Yak etc for breaches and i dont think he is one to hold a grudge certainly not to the detriment of the team, you would have thought that Moyes would want to him succeed more then anyone given hes a big black blot on his otherwise impecable transfer record copybook.

At the end of the season i remeber Moyes saying that we didnt need more numbers but rather better quality as he felt there were some players he couldnt turn to as a viable option, i immediately thought of AVDM and Grav, they seemed like the most logical to me. I could be wrong,

I actually thought he made a fair effort to be defensive in the games he played granted he was [Poor language removed] but i wouldnt slate anyone for effort. I anticipated this pacey and skilfull winger that never materialised and i was as chuffed as anyone when we signed him. I watched him at Ajax and he was good not great but good, but the PL is a step up. I dont think he has the pace, tenacity, engine, or desire to make it in the P.L. hes good technichley but not better then Ossie, Arteta or Pienarr for me. His crossing from what ive seen at best isnt consistent at worse shambolic.

I sometimes watch the clip of that goal against Arsenal in the C.L. and think wow! But i watched the game live, he wasnt great overall, i think now at 28 he is passed it without ever having got there!

I will be happy to write a big i am a whopper melt thread if it turns out not to be the case like i did for Jags but i just cant see it mate.

The likes of Yakubu and Ferguson where never anywhere near as bad as Van der Meyde though. Van der Meyde has done everything you can think of. He's missed training, he's moaned to the press, he's had drink problems and he's never showed any dedication whatsoever. Van der Meyde blew too many chances.

His fitness as I’ve said is also a big issue, Van was criminally unfit and hadn’t played for ages. Moyes doesn’t mind playing someone like Fernandes or Gravesen who aren’t match fit but I think he’d have a problem with throwing in an overweight very unfit player.

On his playing style he was always a pretty nifty player. He’s certainly quicker than the likes of Osman, Pienaar and Arteta. I’m not claiming he was a pace merchant but he was quick enough to get past a fullback and whip a cross in. In terms of dribbling ability and technique I’d put him over everyone bar Fernandes and Arteta. In terms of the one touch pass and move game that the likes of Osman, Arteta and Pienaar are excellent at me couldn’t see him fitting in. He’s not better when it comes to that type of football although he is capable of it. His crossing was hit and miss I’ll agree but so is Arteta in that department.

In terms of work rate, determination and engine I agree and I have always had my doubts. He did try and improve his work rate here but it was obvious it didn’t come naturally to him and limited his attacking game.

The Premier League is a step up but he performed perfectly well in the Champions League. Even in the Italian League he wasn’t awful. He was decent but couldn’t fit into there system. If had had ever got into the right condition and been given a chance he would have at least had a chance to make it here. Pienaar made it here and if Andy’s attitude was different I’m sure he would have. I’m not claiming he would have been one of the best players in the League but I do feel he would have been a good premiership winger and he could certainly challenge for our current team.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he’s going to break into the team and play well. I don’t believe he will and in my opinion he won’t play much at all. He’s finished here as far as I’m concerned. If Moyes uses him as a squad player then I think he’ll be useful but I can’t see that happening.

I agree he’s never really made it or fulfilled his potential. It’s well known that when he left Ajax it was quite obvious he wasn’t ready for a move to Inter. If he’d have stayed a bit longer and developed a bit more then he would have made more of his career in my opinion. Inter does ruin Dutch players.

 

[TX Bill]

I think I'd characterize VDM as a flair player.

Everton recently have have very few flair players. Really only Arteta and more recently, Fernandes come to mind.

I think that's why I really wanted to see what he could do in a blue shirt. He had skills that frankly, other Everton players could only dream of.

 

[zero]

Yes but they owe him for the last year of his contract.

Surely that isn't gonna be enough to make a dent in Moyes' transfer budget.

And if both parties are smart, they'll negotiate it down a bit so he'd have the chance to go to another club, preferably Holland, sooner rather than later.

I believe there's another reason for Moyes keeping him around.

Let's assume he's on 28k a week, it'll cost everton £1,456,000 to get rid of him. that's assuming that Van Der Meyde will accept to be bought out of his contract maybe he's happy earning 28k+ for doing absolutely nothing.

Whilst it may not be a great deal of cash to get rid of him now it's still 1.5m more off the transfer budget then Moyes would want I bet.

 

[TX Bill]

Let's assume he's on 28k a week, it'll cost everton £1,456,000 to get rid of him. that's assuming that Van Der Meyde will accept to be bought out of his contract maybe he's happy earning 28k+ for doing absolutely nothing.

Whilst it may not be a great deal of cash to get rid of him now it's still 1.5m more off the transfer budget then Moyes would want I bet.

Possibly but he's gonna get it anyway. So if that much of a problem, they just ought to pay it out now.

Hell, they could use the Rooney money they got from ManU this year to do it and waa laa, problem solved.

 

[zero]

Possibly but he's gonna get it anyway. So if that much of a problem, they just ought to pay it out now.

Hell, they could use the Rooney money they got from ManU this year to do it and waa laa, problem solved.

But, if Moyes can thrash out a loan deal with some dutch club we wont have to pay him anything or even better, he could get transfered somewhere for a nominal fee. Atleast that way we'd be making money from him instead of throwing even more at him.

 

[TX Bill]

But, if Moyes can thrash out a loan deal with some dutch club we wont have to pay him anything or even better, he could get transfered somewhere for a nominal fee. Atleast that way we'd be making money from him instead of throwing even more at him.

Well if everyone on here thinks he's a waster, what Dutch club living under a rock will think he's a bargain to take on loan?

Very few I imagine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes has tried to work out some sort of loan deal for him only to be rebuffed time and time again.

No loan deal, no transfer deal.

He'll see out his contract here.

Which takes me back to my original post. We can either:

1) Try to get some sort of return on him in his last year via playing or:

2) Let him sit again and get zero return on him for his last year.

 

[coyney]

Ill take option 2 when players go on loan in a lot of cases the club he belongs to pays a percentage of the wage the thinking being if we pay half of his 28k we will still be saving 14k,Im sure Moyes has tried to sort that sort of deal but as you say no-one wants him or h doesnt want them I would love to pay him off but at the same time hate the idea of giving him a lump sum.I can accept buys that dont come off because the guy hasn't got the talent or his family dont like the area but he has the talent he is just not prepared to put the effort in thats something I hate

 

[linglong]

Bingo, their you go right their 'IF'. Sorry mate its never going to happen. He's a lost cause an a fukking drain on everton's money!!

I hate the cuunt,wasted so much of our resorses an time. Dont feel sorry for the bell-end. He sleeps in a £1.5m house an drives to work in a farrari.

GET FUKKIN RID....

Damn right

Not much makes my blood boil but VDM does

 

[toffeestillidie]

VDM is ace, and i think we should sell Tim Cahill to ensure we can keep paying his salary

*waits*

 

[tezzathelezza]

VDM is the future. I seen it. Arteta is [Poor language removed] and Osman ain't to ar behind. Lets give if a good run out over pre-season and lets see if he's still got it.

80% VDM = 100% Arteta.

 

[Chris]

Well if everyone on here thinks he's a waster, what Dutch club living under a rock will think he's a bargain to take on loan?

Very few I imagine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes has tried to work out some sort of loan deal for him only to be rebuffed time and time again.

No loan deal, no transfer deal.

He'll see out his contract here.

Which takes me back to my original post. We can either:

1) Try to get some sort of return on him in his last year via playing or:

2) Let him sit again and get zero return on him for his last year.

Steady on Bill lad. VDM will feature in warm-up games. Let's see how he does there. I'm still holding out hope he will make some sort of impact. He DOES have the talent, he just needs a good run in the side.

Yeah he is a drain on the wage bill, so what. If we get 10 decent performances out of him this coming season and a crucial goal or two then it was worth it imo.

He is on less than 25k I'd guess and when fit, gives Moyes options. I think the spat they had appears to be blown over and VDM might be ready to return and show us what he has promised.

So, I'm content to wait and see. It's not over till the fat barman calls last orders.