Current Affairs Ukraine

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Germany is not exposed because even if they gave everything away, the USA, U.K. and the rest of NATO will defend them as they have done for the last 60 odd years…..
Western Europe still clinging to that Churchill quote "the americans will always do the right thing after they tried everything else"

But now Dad is drunk and threw the crazy pills in the trash, you really trust him to bail you out?

IDK people/politicians in other countries understand how strong the pro-Russia wing in this country is. The Balkans are already Nato in Name Only. There is a faction that wants to pull out of NATO and they hate you, its still small yes but they are gaining strength. You should take these stupid @#$holes seriously.
 
Is there a reliable resource for this that is free from whiff of Russian interference and could be comfortably cited?

There's a lot of ultra-national politics over there in both Ukraine and Russia which is mining the same vein of evil as Nazism without it necessarily being Nazism as far as I can make out.

There have been lots of socialist organisations reporting on it mate, things like the Azov betallian etc.

Obviously this doesnt justify invasion, and honestly a foreign invasion will likely only strengthen the Nazis in Ukraine.
 
There have been lots of socialist organisations reporting on it mate, things like the Azov betallian etc.

Obviously this doesnt justify invasion, and honestly a foreign invasion will likely only strengthen the Nazis in Ukraine.
I was writing a bit of an essay as a response, but decided to stop.

I am sure that there is a significant amount of ultra-nationalistic Ukrainians especially under the guise of Bandera-ites. They may well not be Nazis but they are certainly cut from same cloth.

The Azov battalion were the equivalent of the SS in my view. They encouraged and would enforce anything that removed non-ethnic Ukrainian and especially if it was Russian. Since their capture in Mauripol, I think a big sigh of relief was probably heard from Kyiv too as much as disappointment at losing an army section that was fanatical in its fighting. Russia are not innocent and the Wagner Brigade are equally as bad.
 

I was writing a bit of an essay as a response, but decided to stop.

I am sure that there is a significant amount of ultra-nationalistic Ukrainians especially under the guise of Bandera-ites. They may well not be Nazis but they are certainly cut from same cloth.

The Azov battalion were the equivalent of the SS in my view. They encouraged and would enforce anything that removed non-ethnic Ukrainian and especially if it was Russian. Since their capture in Mauripol, I think a big sigh of relief was probably heard from Kyiv too as much as disappointment at losing an army section that was fanatical in its fighting. Russia are not innocent and the Wagner Brigade are equally as bad.
Fascinating! Genuinely (worried it sounded sarchastic). I learn so much from his thread and forum
 
I was writing a bit of an essay as a response, but decided to stop.

I am sure that there is a significant amount of ultra-nationalistic Ukrainians especially under the guise of Bandera-ites. They may well not be Nazis but they are certainly cut from same cloth.

The Azov battalion were the equivalent of the SS in my view. They encouraged and would enforce anything that removed non-ethnic Ukrainian and especially if it was Russian. Since their capture in Mauripol, I think a big sigh of relief was probably heard from Kyiv too as much as disappointment at losing an army section that was fanatical in its fighting. Russia are not innocent and the Wagner Brigade are equally as bad.

Oh never be afraid of writing an essay mate, take it from me!

Ukraine, much like Poland, Hungary and a number of easter European countries has a significant problem with fascism. A lot of the "heroes" of independence they celebrate either worked directly with, had synpathetic views towards or enabled the Nazi government. It's quite rooted into the DNA of those countries, anti-communism is seen as synonomous to some degree, with sympathy to Nazism.

I think viewing the Azov bettalion as a moral equivalence of the SS is very fair. It is an explicitly Nazi organisation, who are recieving, funding, arms and support from the Ukrainian government. I am extremely concerned as to what will be happening in areas where they are the predominate force. It will be unsafe forlGBT, Jewish or BAME members in those areas.

It's a difficult one, as people will conflate having an honest discussion about these important issues, with supporting foreign invasion, when obviously the two things are distinct. The invasion will only strengthen such forces. On every level it's a disaster.
 
It's a difficult one, as people will conflate having an honest discussion about these important issues, with supporting foreign invasion, when obviously the two things are distinct. The invasion will only strengthen such forces. On every level it's a disaster.
This is very, very true.

It's a disaster. A lot of Eastern and Central Europe have a heavy degree of Russophobia and understandably so. A lot of these countries have significant parts of the population with extremist politics.

Hell, in Western Europe we almost saw a National Front party win in France, a nationalist exit from the EU by the UK. We're also potentially going into a major recession.

Given where we are, it's a very worrying time and that's not even considering the middle or far east.

If the USA goes isolationist and the EU fractures a la the league of nations then it’s practically the same conditions as before the second war.
 
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