Current Affairs Ukraine

[Mutzo Nutzo]

So the lives of women and children is an acceptable deal?

Loss of civilian lives is never acceptable . Russia needs to stop indiscriminately bombing and launching missiles at schools, apartment buildings and other civilian infrastructure.

I was talking about Ukranian military lives - that us something Ukraine is willing to sacrifice to boot the Russians out.

 

[davids]

I fail to see how letting Russia do whatever they want and reducing Ukraine's capacity to defend itself protects civilians.

A US brokered ceasefire does that,but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

A US brokered ceasefire does that,but I'm not holding my breath.

Don’t as it won’t happen. Ukraine will decide when this thing ends

 

[davids]

Loss of civilian lives is never acceptable . Russia needs to stop indiscriminately bombing and launching missiles at schools, apartment buildings and other civilian infrastructure.

I was talking about Ukranian military lives - that us something Ukraine is willing to sacrifice to boot the Russians out.

Not doing so well though are they,and still the civilian cost is growing. All very well to speculate when you aren't sitting in a bomb shelter.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

A US brokered ceasefire does that,but I'm not holding my breath.

For a ceasefire there has to be a basis for negotiation. There is currently 0 common ground between the combatants. The relationship between Russia and the US administrations is at "Zero kelvin" according to the head of Russia's security committee. What is that ceasefire going to be based on?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Not doing so well though are they,and still the civilian cost is growing. All very well to speculate when you aren't sitting in a bomb shelter.

That’s down to Russia and the way they fight wars.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Not doing so well though are they,and still the civilian cost is growing. All very well to speculate when you aren't sitting in a bomb shelter.

Russia could always stop shelling civilians...

 

[Yarrgh]

The problem is the reduction in Russian oil and gas from the world markets.

Biden has requested that all big US oil companies increase their production and he’s released a big chunk of the US oil reserves in an attempt to control the price.

Problem is Big Oil is not playing ball ( worldwide) they are not investing in the infrastructure quick enough to get the oil flowing.

It’s a world problem that is lack of investment and funding in renewable energy has now come back to haunt us. The world has to get away from its dependence on fossil fuels.

Russian oil and gas availability isn't reduced to the world market. Oil exports from Russia went up 22% in the first 5 months of 2022. Gas exports are predicted to drop 5% in total for 2022.

The rest of the world will take Russia's output as soon as they can.

The price rise is more to do with nervousness over uncertainty as the world starts to up consumption post covid.

But renewables and self sufficiency need to be pushed to avoid reliance on rogue or unacceptable regimes such as Russia or Saudi Arabia.

 

[davids]

For a ceasefire there has to be a basis for negotiation. There is currently 0 common ground between the combatants. The relationship between Russia and the US administrations is at "Zero kelvin" according to the head of Russia's security committee. What is that ceasefire going to be based on?

Think that's what diplomats get paid for.

 

[davids]

That’s down to Russia and the way they fight wars.

Oh wait,you mean the US and Nato used different tactics in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Russian oil and gas availability isn't reduced to the world market. Oil exports from Russia went up 22% in the first 5 months of 2022. Gas exports are predicted to drop 5% in total for 2022.

The rest of the world will take Russia's output as soon as they can.

The price rise is more to do with nervousness over uncertainty as the world starts to up consumption post covid.

But renewables and self sufficiency need to be pushed to avoid reliance on rogue or unacceptable regimes such as Russia or Saudi Arabia.

Apologies I should’ve said the US market

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Oh wait,you mean the US and Nato used different tactics in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

2 wrongs famously making one right.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Oh wait,you mean the US and Nato used different tactics in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

Yes very different tactics.

Basically Ru arty picks a 6 x 6 grid and blows the crap out of it - they don’t care what else is there as they know they’ll hit their target given the amount of ordenance they launch.

 

[davids]

2 wrongs famously making one right.

No, nothing is right about the murder of civilians.

 

[davids]

Yes very different tactics.

Basically Ru arty picks a 6 x 6 grid and blows the crap out of it - they don’t care what else is there as they know they’ll hit their target given the amount of ordenance they launch.

180,000 civilian deaths in Iraq. So what went wrong?