Current Affairs Ukraine

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Unfortunately it will be poor that suffer throughout the world if this carries on for much longer.

Agreed. Good news is that the US and Poland are building a huge grains/rail silo on the Ukranian border with Poland - so that will facilitate onward shipment to Polish and German ports for world-wide delivery. Ukraine states that it is running at 95% of pre war production so it should get to the people who need it. As for fertilisers - these global Chem companies need to come up with a solution and quickly to offset the loss of Russian fertilisers.

 

[PhilM]

Trillion dollar question.

Indeed it is. However, what I suspect the politicians and civil servants will be considering the long term cost/impact on the west versus Russia.

Russia may at the moment still be getting their revenue through gas supplies and getting around some sanctions, but can they sustain this in the long-term?

The war continues to cost Russia hundreds of millions of dollars per day; sanctions will, in the long-term, cause great harm to the wider Russian economy.

Their military has been given a bloody nose, which they will struggle to rebuild in terms of time and cost. If it's the west versus Russia, who can last longer?

And what's worse for Russia is that it has forced the EU to move itself away from their energy supplies and shift towards a more balanced, renewable source.

Short-term pain for long-term gain and all that jazz. People are looking at the hear and now (the micro) rather than thinking about the macro.

 

[Yarrgh]

Agreed. Good news is that the US and Poland are building a huge grains/rail silo on the Ukranian border with Poland - so that will facilitate onward shipment to Polish and German ports for world-wide delivery. Ukraine states that it is running at 95% of pre war production so it should get to the people who need it. As for fertilisers - these global Chem companies need to come up with a solution and quickly to offset the loss of Russian fertilisers.

Hopefully this will have a huge impact on eliminating the threat of famine and reduces prices of food.

I'm sure there's a few big agrichem companies ramping up production right now.

 

[Yarrgh]

Indeed it is. However, what I suspect the politicians and civil servants will be considering the long term cost/impact on the west versus Russia.

Russia may at the moment still be getting their revenue through gas supplies and getting around some sanctions, but can they sustain this in the long-term?

The war continues to cost Russia hundreds of millions of dollars per day; sanctions will, in the long-term, cause great harm to the wider Russian economy.

Their military has been given a bloody nose, which they will struggle to rebuild in terms of time and cost. If it's the west versus Russia, who can last longer?

And what's worse for Russia is that it has forced the EU to move itself away from their energy supplies and shift towards a more balanced, renewable source.

Short-term pain for long-term gain and all that jazz. People are looking at the hear and now (the micro) rather than thinking about the macro.

Long run I can't see what Russia thinks it will gain. It'll be a pariah state withe the rest unless it's going all in with BRICs and an economic shift to Asia, Africa and South America.

Going towards renewable and ditching hydrocarbons can only be good thing.

 

[tsubaki]

Hopefully this will have a huge impact on eliminating the threat of famine and reduces prices of food.

I'm sure there's a few big agrichem companies ramping up production right now.

TBF we really need to look at food production - with changes in diet (ie: less meat, fish and dairy) there would be no need for increased agri-chemical production of fertilizers and we'd have a much better, much less polluted planet (and more food security) afterwards.

 

[Yarrgh]

TBF we really need to look at food production - with changes in diet (ie: less meat, fish and dairy) there would be no need for increased agri-chemical production of fertilizers and we'd have a much better, much less polluted planet (and more food security) afterwards.

Oh there's a whole heap of things that would make life healthier, more sustainable and less wasteful and put everyone in a better position to not be so dependent on countries that go rogue.

Good job we have Boris in charge to sort that out hey? Oh...

 

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[davids]

It's all very well looking at this sad situation as a live version of Call of Duty but while it goes on real people lose their lives. Another week and no calls from the US and Nato for any type of ceasefire. Wonder why.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

It's all very well looking at this sad situation as a live version of Call of Duty but while it goes on real people lose their lives. Another week and no calls from the US and Nato for any type of ceasefire. Wonder why.

How about ceasefire from RU?

 

[davids]

How about ceasefire from RU?

While they are gaining territory?
Peace brokers can only be US/Nato but while oil prices are at such a high the US won't be looking for a ceasefire any time soon.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

While they are gaining territory?
Peace brokers can only be US/Nato but while oil prices are at such a high the US won't be looking for a ceasefire any time soon.

They're grinding up their army for less than 5km a day. Why would NATO want to put them back in their box whilst they're making themselves strategically irrelevant for the next 30 years?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

While they are gaining territory?
Peace brokers can only be US/Nato but while oil prices are at such a high the US won't be looking for a ceasefire any time soon.

Come on man.

Yes oil prices are sky high, but they also serve to push up inflation. If inflation rises then Joe public is not happy. If Joe public isn’t happy then the US govt feel the squeeze.

It’s not an ideal situation for anyone. But it’s certainly NOT the reason for the US not forcing a ceasefire.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

While they are gaining territory?

lol

and you get worked up when I call you RU apologist

 

[davids]

They're grinding up their army for less than 5km a day. Why would NATO want to put them back in their box whilst they're making themselves strategically irrelevant for the next 30 years?

That's very true which points to the US/Nato using Ukrainian lives to weaken their perceived enemy number one.

 

[davids]

lol

and you get worked up when I call you RU apologist

Point me in the direction of a post where I have apologised for the actions of Russia. Being cynical of the US isn't nearly the same thing. Anyway shouldn't you be trawling the internet for videos of people dying.