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It's not really the main event until the tanks start rolling towards somewhere other than the existing front of the "breakaway republics", or bombing outside those regions start. If the Russians make a play for Kharkiv or Kyiv, it's on.

It's clear that the sword is poised, and I can't recall a situation where eleventh-hour diplomacy resulted in a country at this level of readiness backing off. If all Putin is looking for is something he can sell as a 'W', he can seize Luhansk and Donetsk, claim that the rest of the forces were to contain a possible Ukranian response elsewhere, and walk away.

I don't think that's likely. The disposition of forces pretty much screams out that he's going to make a play for Kharkiv and Kyiv, though they could just be there to force Ukraine to divide its military rather than respond in strength to the eastern incursion.

It's not clear to me whether the assets in Crimea are just there to hold the line, or to cut off resupply lines to Luhansk and Donetsk and assist in mopping up everything east of the Dnieper. It doesn't look like enough to make a play for Odessa. I think he's staying east of the Dnieper in the short run.
Cant imagine he would stop at the east, all that would create is another war of attrition further in, which is what he has now in Donbas.

I think he goes for Kiev, he will want his own government in there as soon as possible. Odessa will be an immediete target also with its very large Russian population and almost no Ukrainians.
 
Which military ? Will Luxembourg send a battalion ? Will Belgium ? Will Italy or Spain ? Will Holland or France ?. Exactly who do you think will be there ? NATO is a wonderful ideal, but many of the countries only join to be protected, they don’t want to do any actual fighting for another country. Those that will fight will inevitably be from English speaking countries, as always…..
Wouldnt be so confident of that, Japan has 60k+ US troops there and still they worry that they will be abandoned if the Chinese come.
 
You have kind of answered your own question then.

I know, but I already knew the answer. In the EU thread, many people have said that the EU has kept the peace in Europe, complete rubbish obviously, but now is the time for the EU to step up and show it. Personally, and I’ve stated this many times, I’m fed up with the U.K. getting dragged into military adventures for the benefit of people who even now are doing their utmost to make things as difficult as possible in respect of trade….
 
Cant imagine he would stop at the east, all that would create is another war of attrition further in, which is what he has now in Donbas.

I think he goes for Kiev, he will weant his own government in there as soon as possible. Odessa will be an immediete target also with its very large Russian population and almost no Ukrainians.
The only up side to this is that it will be an incredibly short war (if that can be called an up side) , if NATO don't get involved.
 
Cant imagine he would stop at the east, all that would create is another war of attrition further in, which is what he has now in Donbas.

I think he goes for Kiev, he will want his own government in there as soon as possible. Odessa will be an immediete target also with its very large Russian population and almost no Ukrainians.
That's wrong. I have been to Odessa. Loads of Ukrainians. And the Russian speaking ones were different than Donbas people, were very pro Ukraine.
 
I know, but I already knew the answer. In the EU thread, many people have said that the EU has kept the peace in Europe, complete rubbish obviously, but now is the time for the EU to step up and show it. Personally, and I’ve stated this many times, I’m fed up with the U.K. getting dragged into military adventures for the benefit of people who even now are doing their utmost to make things as difficult as possible in respect of trade….
They wouldn’t be going to fight though would they. There’s no war there.

The increase in troops in the Baltic’s would be purely to make Putin expend military resources there to react to the build up. If it takes a batallion of Russian troops away from the Ukraine border, it’s thorn in putins side.
 
I doubt tanks will roll anywhere, any attack will be from the air, and Ukraine can't stop that, they'll fold very quickly once it happens.
Boots on the ground are needed to hold dirt. It's possible that they could play it like the United States did at the beginning of the first Persian Gulf war - all airstrikes at the outset to soften them up for a bit, then move in with combined forces.

Cant imagine he would stop at the east, all that would create is another war of attrition further in, which is what he has now in Donbas.

I think he goes for Kiev, he will weant his own government in there as soon as possible. Odessa will be an immediete target also with its very large Russian population and almost no Ukrainians.
While I don't think that anything less than a full-scale invasion is likely, I'm suspicious. Success in warfare, at both the tactical and strategic levels, is often about doing something other than what the opponent expects. Putin has conceded strategic surprise in the event of full-scale invasion. That's either supreme arrogance (which is possible given the relative balance of forces) or indicates that he has something up his sleeve.

Simply seizing the breakaway republics and absolutely hammering anything along the existing battlefront has two potentially attractive benefits. First, it ends the war of attrition while doing significant damage to Ukraine's armed forces. The only reason there's a war of attrition going on is that Russia has never fully entered the battlefield. Second, it solves the short-run political problem of "how do I get out of this situation with a political win while minimizing economic costs imposed by the West?"

Given what Putin said the other day and the publicly-released intelligence, I suspect that he'll launch the full-scale invasion and claim that it was the only way to put an end to the war of attrition. That said, he could have been deliberately leaking misinformation through our intelligence channels as cover for his actual objectives. The best way to seize the breakaway republics in an expeditious manner is to convince the opposition that a full-scale invasion is coming, so that they have to divide their forces to meet clear and present threats elsewhere, then hammer the spot he actually wants to seize.

Remember, this is a skilled former counterintelligence operative we're dealing with. Flipping the opposition's agents and using them to snooker the opposition is the gold standard in a counterintelligence operation.
 
Ukraine would do well to hide the army amongst the general population and almost allow the invasion to happen before fighting a guerrilla war campaign.

It would present Putin with far more headaches than fighting toe to toe.
 
Ukraine would do well to hide the army amongst the general population and almost allow the invasion to happen before fighting a guerrilla war campaign.

It would present Putin with far more headaches than fighting toe to toe.
Terrorist behaviour.
 
Ukraine would do well to hide the army amongst the general population and almost allow the invasion to happen before fighting a guerrilla war campaign.

It would present Putin with far more headaches than fighting toe to toe.
Tough to accomplish because at some point Putin will install his own cabal in government positions to maintain order.
 
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