tsubaki
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Probably not as much as described, and Georgia would have to be mindless to try to get those two places back.
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Probably not as much as described, and Georgia would have to be mindless to try to get those two places back.
yea, I figured.
Do you have any idea why Putin just took two regions in Georgia but didn't try to take the whole country as opposed to Ukraine where the same strategy would clearly have been attainable? I didn't pay much attention to this when it was happening.
Wonder if Vlad is a little extra nervous today—it being the Ides of March and all
devogue
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Georgia still wants to join NATO and the EU so being aggressive, even if it was to take back their own land, would jeopardise their ambitions.
Tennessee Blue Mike
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Vlad is stuck. Never in a million years did his ego entertain such resistance in Ukraine and with such sweeping sanctions. He has transformed his nation back into the 1960's. I have a feeling most of the younger Russians will cause more chaos and provide more discomfort to him. Time will tell of course. Everyone is watching the terrible logistical support his commanders have provided their troops. Once exposed to their people it just won't go down well at all.
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‘Europe stands with you’: EU leaders vow support for Ukraine during Kyiv visit
Leaders of Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovenia express ‘unequivocal support’ for Ukraine after making perilous journey by train to meet Zelenskiy
This is nuts. Good on them, but this is nuts. Even Churchill didn't get closer to the front lines than Paris two weeks before it was taken, and he was a man who once said that, "Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result."
I commend their bravery and question their sanity in the same breath.
Because he didn't want to expend the men and materiel necessary to conduct an occupation against an insurgency.
Crimea went without a whimper because Ukraine had nothing on the ground capable of fighting back, and because its people did not strongly identify as Ukrainian. The breakaway, Russian-backed portions of Georgia had grievances against the national government, and as such were easy pickings to convert into de facto client states.
It's total war in Ukraine because his top-line objectives are more strategic. I think that most observers would agree that he probably thought he would walk away from a full-scale invasion with more than he's likely to walk away with. I also don't think he would complain if he walks away with Crimea recognition, the Donbas region as client states and a firm neutrality deal. If he had just wanted Donbas as a partial buffer, he had the might to take it by force. He never brought that might to bear because a long-term separatist conflict suited his aims just fine at the time, given the price.
but why would a long term separatist conflict suit his aims in Georgia but not Ukraine?
and why would he think he could easily take the whole of Ukraine but not Georgia?
and what are the different strategic objectives?
As far as I can see they are two nearly identical situations and the big difference seems to be passion. Putin wants all of Ukraine because he sees it as fundamental to the Russian empire. Georgia, not so much.
The fact that he's gone all out here and not in Georgia, for me, negates his argument about NATO and security. He could have had the exact same strategic outcome but instead he went all in.
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It almost feels like they're daring Russia to have a go at them (knowing they'll have enough security to deal with it) so there's an excuse to get Nato fully involved. I can't imagine its a unanimous decision not to. I hope they don't succeed‘Europe stands with you’: EU leaders vow support for Ukraine during Kyiv visit
Leaders of Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovenia express ‘unequivocal support’ for Ukraine after making perilous journey by train to meet Zelenskiywww.theguardian.com
This is nuts. Good on them, but this is nuts. Even Churchill didn't get closer to the front lines than Paris two weeks before it was taken, and he was a man who once said that, "Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result."
I commend their bravery and question their sanity in the same breath.
bluerobert
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I’m not military strategist but that seems pretty reckless. It’s not going to be to hard for the Russians to find out where the President is if they use a drone to follow their convoys. Wait for them to leave and attack
Bluerover
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God help that lady who went into the news studio with the No War slogan. Massive courage.
Tennessee Blue Mike
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Heroine!
Damn, RIP, just doing his job under incredibly difficult circumstances. The number of deaths reported will be massively, massively lower than what it is in reality. Probably lost about 50,000 civilians already.
tsubaki
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Because that’s what the Russian state has historically done recently; slice bits off and leave the rest weak and at risk unless they toe the line.
I think that’s what they tried to do in 2014 but Ukraine is too big and the bits they chopped off were actually the bits that presented political opportunities for them (as in they were the parts that allowed pro-Russian candidates to think they could win electorally and so kept the whole country closer to Russia than it’s ever been since).
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