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[DualityNSNO]

No, it isn't what I am proposing at all. If the deal is rejected and they take the whole country anyway, all it will prove to him is that he can get away with flattening a country, subjecting a populace (probably genocidally) and it will train his army in doing that as well as well. He will think he can do it again, which is what the danger is to the rest of the world.

To draw the Finland parallel again - when Stalin went into the Baltics and Poland in 1939, nothing the Red Army and security services did there dissuaded him from trying that again. When he went into Finland in 1940, he learned plenty that dissuaded him from trying it again and learned to offer peace rather than smash an opponent with brute force. If this peace deal is signed and their forces go home, I am sure Putin will call it a victory, but I am also sure that a lot of troops and civilians will tell the folks at home what it was actually like.

As I've tried to say all along, there are no good outcomes here but there are very, very bad outcomes.

They won't go home mate, and I honestly can't believe the naivete to think they will.

The Winter War didn't end cuz he "learned" - they had massive casualties and objectively stronger points to capture in the war anyway. Because you're quite smart I assume you also know that the aftermath of the peace treaty was that Russia attacked again a year and a bit later, right? Do you see the parallel?

There are only bad outcomes, but the only way is to fight. This is why all (or almost all) of the ex-USSR countries are on the Ukraine side, why we're trying to help.

Because we know. We've seen. We've barely lived through it. It wasn't good.

Why don't you (as in the west, not... like, personally obvs) trust us (ex-USSR) for once?

 

[Cool_Blue]

Not prison, those things don't work. Straight up killed.

My Mum keeps saying “why doesn’t somebody just shoot him”

 

[DualityNSNO]

My Mum keeps saying “why doesn’t somebody just shoot him”

Dictators have the nasty habit of being very reclusive and surrounding themselves with people they trust in times of war, for some reason lol

 

[Bluerover]

They won't go home mate, and I honestly can't believe the naivete to think they will.

The Winter War didn't end cuz he "learned" - they had massive casualties and objectively stronger points to capture in the war anyway. Because you're quite smart I assume you also know that the aftermath of the peace treaty was that Russia attacked again a year and a bit later, right? Do you see the parallel?

There are only bad outcomes, but the only way is to fight. This is why all (or almost all) of the ex-USSR countries are on the Ukraine side, why we're trying to help.

Because we know. We've seen. We've barely lived through it. It wasn't good.

Why don't you (as in the west, not... like, personally obvs) trust us (ex-USSR) for once?

As posted earlier, this is about Putin trying to re-establish the old Russian Empire, to make himself another Czar. Does Bulgaria feel threatened by his ambitions?

 

[Cool_Blue]

Supposed to happen by Friday

So before we lose to Wolves? Thank God.

 

[DualityNSNO]

As posted earlier, this is about Putin trying to re-establish the old Russian Empire, to make himself another Czar. Does Bulgaria feel threatened by his ambitions?

Of course, as should any country in our situation.

Ours isn't an out and out talked fear, but it's a bit nervy, in a way, if that makes sense? Like the media talks about it every so often, or questions would be asked about "what would that mean for Bulgaria" for certain things.

As of now we have no official reason to be afraid, but it's a madman with an army wanting "ex land", cleansing "nazis", and that type of crusade doesn't end well usually.

 

[Bluerover]

Of course, as should any country in our situation.

Ours isn't an out and out talked fear, but it's a bit nervy, in a way, if that makes sense? Like the media talks about it every so often, or questions would be asked about "what would that mean for Bulgaria" for certain things.

As of now we have no official reason to be afraid, but it's a madman with an army wanting "ex land", cleansing "nazis", and that type of crusade doesn't end well usually.

Thanks for that insight. To be honest, I am concerned about my own country, and that is neutral Ireland. Not the likelihood of invasion, but nuclear war.

I understand NATO trying to stay out of this to a degree, but the time has to come when innocent people need to be protected.

The horrific concern is MAD - mutually assured destruction. I haven't heard that phrase in nearly 40 years. This egomaniac is capable of doing anything.

 

[Goat]

Of course, as should any country in our situation.

Ours isn't an out and out talked fear, but it's a bit nervy, in a way, if that makes sense? Like the media talks about it every so often, or questions would be asked about "what would that mean for Bulgaria" for certain things.

As of now we have no official reason to be afraid, but it's a madman with an army wanting "ex land", cleansing "nazis", and that type of crusade doesn't end well usually.

I mean the whole world should be quite afraid.

As you say, theres a madman with nuclear weapons itching to fight everybody.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Thanks for that insight. To be honest, I am concerned about my own country, and that is neutral Ireland. Not the likelihood of invasion, but nuclear war.

I understand NATO trying to stay out of this to a degree, but the time has to come when innocent people need to be protected.

The horrific concern is MAD - mutually assured destruction. I haven't heard that phrase in nearly 40 years. This egomaniac is capable of doing anything.

I understand but hope they would start more seriously helping, or at least threatening, or... well, any help would be nice?

I mean the whole world should be quite afraid.

As you say, theres a madman with nuclear weapons itching to fight everybody.

Yeah, just meant we're a bit closer to what he'd want to call home one day basically.

 

[Goat]

I understand but hope they would start more seriously helping, or at least threatening, or... well, any help would be nice?

Yeah, just meant we're a bit closer to what he'd want to call home one day basically.

I wasnt aware you are CIS?

Basically there are 12 other countries before you, IMO.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I wasnt aware you are CIS?

Basically there are 12 other countries before you, IMO.

We've got a bit of history with the USSR/Russia and share a sea.

Not CIS but the next worst thing.

It's not 12 fwiw, but yeah I get what you're saying. Still not making me feel less uneasy gotta say...

 

[Bluerover]

I understand but hope they would start more seriously helping, or at least threatening, or... well, any help would be nice?

Yeah, just meant we're a bit closer to what he'd want to call home one day basically.

As posted before, I really hope that the economic impact brings him down. Unfortunately, I feel he is capable of reacting to them with horrendous violence.

I think NATO must step up to protect innocent people, but the risk is escalation into MAD.

 

[tsubaki]

They won't go home mate, and I honestly can't believe the naivete to think they will.

The Winter War didn't end cuz he "learned" - they had massive casualties and objectively stronger points to capture in the war anyway. Because you're quite smart I assume you also know that the aftermath of the peace treaty was that Russia attacked again a year and a bit later, right? Do you see the parallel?

There are only bad outcomes, but the only way is to fight. This is why all (or almost all) of the ex-USSR countries are on the Ukraine side, why we're trying to help.

Because we know. We've seen. We've barely lived through it. It wasn't good.

Why don't you (as in the west, not... like, personally obvs) trust us (ex-USSR) for once?

Russia didn’t attack a year and a bit later; Finland did

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

If sanctions is the overall tactic then
even if the conflict ends with Ukraine continue to squeeze them until they are so desperate they rise up against their dictator and even then don't take our foot off their neck.

We don't want them as part of our global society anymore.

Ramp up the military on every NATO border. Be prepared to sacrifice as it hits hard not using any Russian produce knowing their people are being hit even harder.

Root out those who have sold our society to Russia and charge them with treason. Or at least publicly shame and sanction them to the poorhouse and give their property to homeless and refugee charitys.

Putin and his enablers need to watch as his country is permanently dismantled.

 

[PhilM]

WHEN.

At some point Putin is sadly going to have turn the dial to exterminate.

It's only if they have the operational capability to do so including enough combat ready troops and the resources to sustain such an assault.

FIBUA is costly in terms of men - an increased number of needed to capture an area and high attrition rate - and resources. Do they have the logistical might?

Based on the current valuation of their logistics alongside their success on the ground, it's not an envious task. They may well be repulsed.