Current Affairs Ukraine

[Ghost Rider]

Russia has invaded Ukraine, mate. I’m sure the vast majority of the poor families that are fleeing just wanted to stay in their own homes….

Where should they go?

There is the small matter of living in a war zone you've forgotten about there.

I think you both forget that if Russia weren't invading, there wouldn't be calls to bring them here as refugees.

Maybe, the solution is to stop the invasion so therefore they don't need to flee their homes?

 

[larrygobfiend]

I think you both forget that if Russia weren't invading, there wouldn't be calls to bring them here as refugees.

Maybe, the solution is to stop the invasion so therefore they don't need to flee their homes?

Hiya Russia, do you mind just knocking this silly war business on the head so people can just go home?

Cheers fella x

 

[grandjoeblue]

The debate around Ukrainian refugees has quickly become completely polarised between two extremes - as usual.

On one hand you have "Don't let them come" and on the other you have "Just accept [insert arbitrary number here] now".

What ever happened to nuance.

Yeh I think the 50 people that the UK has accepted so far is the issue. You could fit them all on one coach. Absolute laughing stock of a country.

 

[Mrk]

We have a mainstream media that isn't interested in pushing nuance. Emotional triggers are easy to manipulate, and therefore make more money for the media corporations.

Indeed - and yet we sit here baffled at why our politicians (on both the left and right) are constantly eager to take illogical and extreme positions on every possible issue.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

I think you both forget that if Russia weren't invading, there wouldn't be calls to bring them here as refugees.

Maybe, the solution is to stop the invasion so therefore they don't need to flee their homes?

I think that ship has sailed.

 

[Mrk]

Yeh I think the 50 people that the UK has accepted so far is the issue. You could fit them all on one coach. Absolute laughing stock of a country.

Most reasonable people would agree - but the hyperbole doesn't help. This crisis will only be solved by people of all political persuasions working together to find a solution.

 

[Charro]

Really don't get this 'bring the ukranians over here' thought process. Open the doors and let them all come here.

If ukranians wanted to come to the UK then there is a perfectly legal and way they could do that.

Ukranians want to live in their own country without it being invaded. Such a cop out attitude to have , bring them here but do nothing to fix the problem that means they have to come here. I know it's not as straight forward as saying that but the point still stands.


If Russia weren't invading then there would be no need to bring them here.

There isn't a perfectly legal way for Ukrainian refuges to seek refuge in the united kingdom if they don't already have family members here.

They are displaced, therefore are now registered as refuges and will have to enter any country as such. At the moment, despite civil servants working hard to create a process for us to take in these people, our government refuse to acknowledge it leaving a lot of people stranded if they get as far as the U.K.

Within a matter of weeks there will be more than seven million people seeking refuge and we will have to reconsider our approach to avoid a humanitarian disaster on the continent.

 

[sbbefc]

The debate around Ukrainian refugees has quickly become completely polarised between two extremes - as usual.

On one hand you have "Don't let them come" and on the other you have "Just accept [insert arbitrary number here] now".

What ever happened to nuance.

The trouble is the Governments position is one extreme. You're allowed one close family member but they can't bring any of their close family members with them. It'll cause families to split up at the worst possible time that could happen. Throw in all the paper work = virtually nobody is coming.

 

[Death]

Do you perceive them to have a bias along the lines of the one you identify with BBC / C4 et al?

Can I look at a bit more to tell you in honesty.

 

[Mrk]

The trouble is the Governments position is one extreme. You're allowed one close family member but they can't bring any of their close family members with them. It'll cause families to split up at the worst possible time that could happen. Throw in all the paper work = virtually nobody is coming.

I agree! Which is why the grownups on both sides of the debate need to get together to find the solution, rather than the cranks on both sides entrenching themselves and throwing around insults and whatnot. Won't help anybody.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Hiya Russia, do you mind just knocking this silly war business on the head so people can just go home?

Cheers fella x

I think that ship has sailed.

The ship has sailed whilst everyone else does nothing about it.

Russian troops are in Ukraine and if the attitude is oh well, nothing we can do about it then humanity has failed.

Ukrainians don't want refuge, they want help stopping the Russians.

 

[slipstream86]

Interesting take. Hadn't considered that, but it could well be true.

Many political analysts believed a lot of the conflict in Syria was over Qatar and Russia competing in the gas market.

Qatar has the largest known gas field in the world within it's territory. The exploitation of the reserves really started to ramp up in the late 2000s. Qatar, EU and US wanted to build a pipeline from Qatar routing northwest to link up with the European gas pipe network starting in Turkey, to increase volume, and thus vastly lower the cost of supply....with the added benefit of reducing reliance on Russian supplied gas to Europe, and all of the political leverage that went with it.

Only problem was, the routing of the pipeline would have taken it through Syria. The Al Assad government blocked the planning process at the first opportunity....The same Al Assad government that was kept in power by huge military support from none other than....Russia! Figures.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middl...09,the largest natural gas field in the world.

 

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[Noisy noise annoys]

The ship has sailed whilst everyone else does nothing about it.

Russian troops are in Ukraine and if the attitude is oh well, nothing we can do about it then humanity has failed.

Ukrainians don't want refuge, they want help stopping the Russians.

It’s as if you have missed a week of news.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

The ship has sailed whilst everyone else does nothing about it.

Russian troops are in Ukraine and if the attitude is oh well, nothing we can do about it then humanity has failed.

Ukrainians don't want refuge, they want help stopping the Russians.

Ideally, i think they'd like both. As evidenced by about 5 million of them leaving a war zone.

There is a war where they live. Their houses are being shelled. NATO is not going to get into a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine. Like a lot of things in life, we just need to figure out the least worst option.