Current Affairs Ukraine

[Martin Alvito]

CNN also reporting that Israel is moving its embassy staff in Kyiv to the consulate in Lviv, which means they think it's on and that Kyiv will be hit.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Deleted member 48881]

My view is the entire Ukraine will fall back to Russian influence, possibly by the end of the year.

Same, Ukraine will not be present in UN members list in 2023. A shame, it was a nice country.

 

[PhilM]

I might go and watch Dr Strangelove.

 

[Martin Alvito]

That's a pretty big flip-flop from this weekend when they were telling him not to go to Berlin. I suppose that until now they must have thought that diplomacy had a snowball's chance in Hades.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I might go and watch Dr Strangelove.

Endlessly quotable. Sellers is phenomenal.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Assume this is part of the ongoing test of western resolve. If they dont bring the full sanction package, they will then know they can take it a couple of steps further.

 

[LostLegend]

Putin going on a completely normal one during that speech it seems...

 

[Paris]

Assume this is part of the ongoing test of western resolve. If they dont bring the full sanction package, they will then know they can take it a couple of steps further.

It's testing my resolve to stay awake.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Watching Putin give the address via Sky's livestream. It is decidedly weird, though the translation is at least part of the problem. As far as I can tell, he is providing his list of grievances with respect to the breakup of the Soviet Union. It feels a lot like China's position on the Unequal Treaties, and he's further arguing that Kyiv abrogated a bunch of deals that Russia considered poor in the first place.

Now Sky has pre-empted him with Boris Johnson, who sounds a lot more coherent but is delivering a lot less actual content.

 

[PhilM]

Watching Putin give the address via Sky's livestream. It is decidedly weird, though the translation is at least part of the problem. As far as I can tell, he is providing his list of grievances with respect to the breakup of the Soviet Union. It feels a lot like China's position on the Unequal Treaties, and he's further arguing that Kyiv abrogated a bunch of deals that Russia considered poor in the first place.

Now Sky has pre-empted him with Boris Johnson, who sounds a lot more coherent but is delivering a lot less actual content.

He's thrown a few jibes towards Lenin and talking about how Russia was 'robbed' by the collapse of the CCCP. When is the bit he says Russia needs more space?

 

[larrygobfiend]

I bet the vast majority of regular Russians can’t be arsed with all of this… I mean, what’s the point?

 

[Martin Alvito]

He's thrown a few jibes towards Lenin and talking about how Russia was 'robbed' by the collapse of the CCCP. When is the bit he says Russia needs more space?

It has a decidedly mid-1930's Germany feel to it.

The accusation that Ukraine is a puppet state of the West has more legitimacy to it than you might think. It was arguably a puppet state of Putin under Yanukovych, who (after fleeing to Russia) is on record as saying that Putin's position on Crimea took him by surprise. Ukraine has always been a weak state dependent upon foreign support for survival.

I bet the vast majority of regular Russians can’t be arsed with all of this… I mean, what’s the point?

What data we have (polling there is challenging) suggests that Putin's control of information flows has resulted in most Russians believing his positions on Ukraine.

The situation is not dissimilar in China, or in the West for that matter given the rise of highly slanted media. The only difference in the West is arguably the availability of a choice over which political propaganda outlet people choose to believe.

 

[LostLegend]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When are we going to learn that sanctions are utterly pointless?