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tsubaki
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Chris O'Connor
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That's all too true, Putin knows he has his useful idiot as president in Washington, Taliban Joe might have replaced Corbyn as his favourite foreign politician, but it shows just how weak his opponents are
He's weaponised oil and gas so the European Union is paralysed, so what's new there - situation normal, and it's left to a 99 year mentally senile old man in Washington to repeat his unilateral Afghanistan fiasco, only this time a thousand times more serious, I'm extremely scared - I don't want to go to war and we're on the verge of the biggest European land invasion since 1945.
Putin far from being the idealistic Corbynites imagined warrior for justice is a ruthless tsarist bully and brutal dictator, he smells weakness and Taliban Joe is very weak indeed
Martin Alvito
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So here's the problem with that reasoning on Article 5 - if the other 29 states abandon a member, can any of them expect assistance when they need it?
You're correct that collectively, they have a commitment problem. This is how they solve it. They station a token garrison of troops there, as a deliberate pawn sacrifice. If the Russians invade, the troops are ordered to fight and die, there is now casus belli that no Western population will ignore, and we have a war.
That war is not fought in Estonia, because the Baltics are as lost as Poland was in WWII, should it come to that. The war is fought when and where the alliance can fight it, with the intention of first destroying the enemy's capacity to make war, then liberating the conquered territory.
Kev The Rat
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Not sure why Russia being accused of using pretexts to invade - there’s been fighting for the last 8 years with casualties on both sides.
Do they really need to invent reasons when fighting is going on consistently ?
Do they really need to invent reasons when fighting is going on consistently ?
tsubaki
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Apparently they do. The latest one is of mass graves found in rebel-held Luhansk:
I don’t think them finding evidence of mass killings in areas they’ve controlled for nearly eight years now is going to convince anyone that Ukraine is responsible, though I can well believe that someone carried out mass killings there; let’s face it we already know the “rebels” already murdered just under three hundred entirely innocent and entirely uninvolved people.
tsubaki
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NilSatisOptimum
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Was never going to do it with his bestie holding the Olympics!
Remains to be seen if he will, of course Biden has told already he will get away with militarily. Which was new level of stupid.
Is this all posturing to cause general devilment and the excuse is to bring ethic Russians back to the bosom of Mother Russia?
Asking for a friend in Sudetenland
Martin Alvito
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It's a fig leaf. It gives their 'allies' (the Chinese) a pretext to say that they believe the Russians, and not the West.
As far as the Chinese are concerned, anything that keeps the Russians both otherwise occupied and on their side in their quest to seize the shipping lanes in Southeast Asia (with their associated oil and gas deposits) is a good thing.
Rook
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Bidness doesn't like "uncertainty", so the price of oil usually goes through the roof when there is talk of war. Russia took a major hit when the Saudis flooded the market (this was mainly aimed at the US/Canada but Russia was collateral damage) then covid hit. He might keep this going for a while.
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