Current Affairs Ukraine

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Are you trying to be edgy ?
How messed up is it that wanting America government to be toppled and tried for war crimes along with Blair is edgey. How much does the BBC, CNN, Channel 4 etc have such a spell on western citizens that what I am saying is apparently edgey and against the grain.

It should be completely reasonable, normal and humane to address this.
 
How messed up is it that wanting America government to be toppled and tried for war crimes along with Blair is edgey. How much does the BBC, CNN, Channel 4 etc have such a spell on western citizens that what I am saying is apparently edgey and against the grain.

It should be completely reasonable, normal and humane to address this.


You are posting as if you’re some enlightened individual and people don’t realise western nations do despicable things.

You mentioned the US launching air strikes in Somalia against a terror group. There would not be worldwide condemnation of Russia if they were doing that.

They’re not even close to comparable acts. The whole “But what about the west” routine is such an attention seeking edgy thing to do in this situation.
 
He defo is. But what's the alternative? Let this complete lunatic roll over whatever country he wants until he decides he's had his fill. It's a risk that any nation, any decent people that are unfortunate enough to be in his path have to take
Well he isnt really lunitic it's a long line of elected presidents that continue the rolling over of countrys. Dems or republicans. We've been letting it happen for decades. Hard to see it changing.
 
Mate you are able to invade countries for flimsy excuses and later exposed as barefaced lies in NATO. Russia would be sound on NATO.

Heck you can even bomb 5 different countries all unrelated to each other all at the very same time as a member of NATO. Via drone of 90% civilian death rate.

Come to think about it. Russia need to step thier game up if they were to join
Georgia, Chetzna, Ukraine , Afghanistan, Iraq and kept various despots in power around the world that act as there puppets.
Belarus ect.
Oh and let's not forget kept half of modern Europe under there yoke in living memory ,
Not a bad for starters.
 
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*nods* Overseas subsidiaries are screwed. The authorities will delight in rigorously applying existing banking laws, then conducting a fire sale of the assets. Sucks to be one of their creditors.

For perspective, this is about 1/100th the size of one of the US banking behemoths, or about 1/40th the size of Lehman when they went down. In other words, meaningful but a long way from too big to fail. If this continues, which it probably will, the ECB is going to have a long week.

Instead of comparing with US its better to compare with banks/companies the same size.

Cant compare US banks with Russian or their subsidiaries.

How quickly would the Russian economy return to normal if someone popped Putin and ordered the retreat of its troops?

Well, it wouldnt be overnight...

If in a week things continue then i think were going to see a mid term lasting effect.

1 week of serious damage could take 1-2 years at least in recovery...but its not linear.
 
You are posting as if you’re some enlightened individual and people don’t realise western nations do despicable things.

You mentioned the US launching air strikes in Somalia against a terror group. There would not be worldwide condemnation of Russia if they were doing that.

They’re not even close to comparable acts. The whole “But what about the west” routine is such an attention seeking edgy thing to do in this situation.
Somalia is just a small iota. And Russia have bombed terrorists in Syria. And everyone is up in arms about that.

Call me edgey. I have had this opinion for decades.

''We know america nad NATO are war criminals emperialists infiltrating countries around the globe causing mayhem, ever expanding with with its fake democracy dictated by capitalism...... BUT WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH IT STOP BEINGG EDGEY''

The fact you are addressing it saying you know it already only worries me.

And its is very relevant.

And to reiterate I think Russia needs to be toppled also. But priorities.
 
Hi Jay, I won't be doing this dance with you but hope you are well otherwise x
I'm good prev. I'm going to finish it as of this morning. There are other platforms for this. I am coming to the conclusion of opting to not alienate fellow blues on GOT. Way too many on here have an adverse opinion and it'll only end one way for me.

And I do love em all.
 
Georgia, Chetzna, Ukraine , Afghanistan, Iraq and kept various despots in power around the world that act as there puppets.
Belarus ect.
Oh and let's not forget kept half of modern Europe under there yoke in living memory ,
Not a bad for starters.
They're good just not the best.

And I ultimately would like a working class takeover from this nonsense world wide. There are no right sides.
 
Long thread that I found interesting. Don’t have the background/knowledge to assess its accuracy so would welcome comments of those that do.

Really interesting read that. It seems pretty evident that this 'special operation' hasn't gone anywhere near as well as anticipated, and the author's points make sense.

In terms of Russia losing or winning, its rarely clear cut and indeed possible to result in both.
You can draw parallels with Afghanistan and Iraq. From Bush's Top Gun moment on the flight deck onwards, the coalition had many wins, but in retrospect was losing from day one.

Will Russia take Kiev and Ukraine? Probably. Is that a win? Yes and no, you can sell it as such and there will be advantages for Putin in holding that ground, but the cost has already been higher than anticipated and is continuing to rise. Occupying a country the size of Ukraine with a population that hates you is a massive resource drain and installing a puppet regime will likely need continuous reinforcement.

Strategically, Putin may already be looking for some sort of 'win' he can use to extricate himself from this. But this is likely to mean concession from Ukraine so that he can sell 'we've achieved our special objective. '
 
They're good just not the best.

And I ultimately would like a working class takeover from this nonsense world wide. There are no right sides.
I wouldn’t have anything to do with any of it personally.
Long held the view the UK should be like Japan and just have an army for defence.
Although I would differ as I would have it a lot stronger than it is today.
We don't get thanked in the long run for poking are noses in anyway so why bother.
The working class gain nothing and it's and sons and daughter's that do the fighting and get killed.
Then come back to what , minimum wage jobs or life on the street's for many.
Unfortunately I am never likely to see my view taken up.
 
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