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[bluestevon]

I'm sure that the economic data is all a lie and officials calling out Ms. Nabiullina is part of Putins theatre.

Time will tell vadge.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

In the last 100 years, the Russian state has undergone two definitive collapses: the fall of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Hopefully the next will free the Russian people free from the tyranny of dictatorship.

 

[bluestevon]

Majority of NATO trained troops weren’t trained in Western Doctrine, only how to use equipment.

You’ve been told this before though.

So majority of troops were trained by NATO in the soviet doctrine then?

In which case wtf is the point in foreign training?

Oh yes, forgot, the western training was a shortened version which basically meant it was virtue signalling? How long did you train the for compared to the training you'd give a British crew btw?

 

[Xizor]

In the last 100 years ... in 1917

I'm not sure the next one will be any different anyway. Do any major societal upheavals result in a completely different state for the average joe, or just a new set of b'stards in charge once the dust settles? Feels like improvements in living conditions is something that evolves, rather than... revolves.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I'm not sure the next one will be any different anyway. Do any major societal upheavals result in a completely different state for the average joe, or just a new set of b'stards in charge once the dust settles? Feels like improvements in living conditions is something that evolves, rather than... revolves.

Considered this earlier, gotta say, uk 1945. Took a while to pay off, but the seeds were sewn then. Consumed a hundred times over since, but the foresight was there. The betrayal of the american version occurred much sooner, not quite so much personal evidence to hand there.

 

[Eidean]

So majority of troops were trained by NATO in the soviet doctrine then?

In which case wtf is the point in foreign training?

Oh yes, forgot, the western training was a shortened version which basically meant it was virtue signalling? How long did you train the for compared to the training you'd give a British crew btw?

No, they weren’t trained tactically by us (heavy armour) at all.

They were taught how to use the vehicle in their respective roles. They use heavy armour tactically very differently to us.

A lot of them were already trained Ukrainian Tank Crews, so picked it up quickly but yes, they were trained quicker than British Crews who start from knowing nothing.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I'm not sure the next one will be any different anyway. Do any major societal upheavals result in a completely different state for the average joe, or just a new set of b'stards in charge once the dust settles? Feels like improvements in living conditions is something that evolves, rather than... revolves.

Clearly one too many here.

I hope that upwards of a million deahts or war injuries will focus the minds of the poor folk the dictactor carelessly tossed into the meat grinder.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

The north Korean troops that have been battling in Ukraine for over two months and yet not one piece of evidence they exist you mean?

Videos are showing otherwise. Must be more Western spin though. History will show the truth.

 

[Xizor]

Considered this earlier, gotta say, uk 1945. Took a while to pay off, but the seeds were sewn then. Consumed a hundred times over since, but the foresight was there. The betrayal of the american version occurred much sooner, not quite so much personal evidence to hand there.

But there wasn't (domestic) political upheaval that achieved that, we had a parliamentary democracy, went through an election, and still had a parliamentary democracy. Attlee didn't stride up to the No 10 door, boot it down and chase Churchill off into the sunset. It was revolutionary politics that followed, but it wasn't a revolution that made it happen.

I'm talking about the internal collapse of a state (so not a defeated power like Nazi Germany) and the power that grows in the resulting vacuum. Do any of them make a really difference to the people, on average? Or do working lives just carry on as before, with new heads on the coinage? Is there an inherent nature, or soul maybe, of a population that manifests in the type of government it allows to rule?

 

[Rita_Poon]

But there wasn't (domestic) political upheaval that achieved that, we had a parliamentary democracy, went through an election, and still had a parliamentary democracy. Attlee didn't stride up to the No 10 door, boot it down and chase Churchill off into the sunset. It was revolutionary politics that followed, but it wasn't a revolution that made it happen.

I'm talking about the internal collapse of a state (so not a defeated power like Nazi Germany) and the power that grows in the resulting vacuum. Do any of them make a really difference to the people, on average? Or do working lives just carry on as before, with new heads on the coinage? Is there an inherent nature, or soul maybe, of a population that manifests in the type of government it allows to rule?

I'm watching die hard 2 and I've had a few cans. I can box half clever with the moron tate apostles but this I can't handle.

many apologies.

I'll get back to it eventually.

 

[Xizor]

I'm watching die hard 2 and I've had a few cans. I can box half clever with the moron tate apostles but this I can't handle.

many apologies.

I'll get back to it eventually.

No, not at all. Knock yourself out. It was only the line from Mr Vernacular that got me thinking, I've read something similar in a book before about how states that undergo full on revolutions end up looking largely the same as before (let's be frank - the new leaders are drawn from the same population as the old ones and have much the same education and upbringing, so on).

So I was just pondering on whether anyone obvious I'm missing had managed to break that particular mold. Could happen.

 

[Rita_Poon]

No, not at all. Knock yourself out. It was only the line from Mr Vernacular that got me thinking, I've read something similar in a book before about how states that undergo full on revolutions end up looking largely the same as before (let's be frank - the new leaders are drawn from the same population as the old ones and have much the same education and upbringing, so on).

So I was just pondering on whether anyone obvious I'm missing had managed to break that particular mold. Could happen.

I'm clutching at smoke.

France?

Technically (very technically!) Japan?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Nice graphic that shows the futility of the Russian military mindset.

Capture Pokrovsk - a crappy little town in the Donbas. Been trying now for 13 months.

Cost so far: 150K men, 580 tanks, 1220 AFV’s, 90 SP

Mind-blowing!

Great victory

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The trouble is rubble, Biden in 2022...

Sorry but it's bs, time will show ultimately.

Nope, soon as they were accepted into law as part of Russia they were gone. The Ukraine will be very lucky just to hold onto any of the novorissiya province's now.

I totally agree



Given the scathing criticism of NATO training by a lot of the ukrops as being completely out of tune with the actual reality - see German training saying drive around the minefield etc. and the losses incurred in NATO trained troops, I'm guessing it's more suited to fighting Vs Arabs wearing sandals.

They blow up well. Kept Ukraine in the fight so to speak though.


Arguable unless to help means to give them the means to slowly lose the entire make population.

 

[bluestevon]

Nice graphic that shows the futility of the Russian military mindset.

Capture Pokrovsk - a crappy little town in the Donbas. Been trying now for 13 months.

Cost so far: 150K men, 580 tanks, 1220 AFV’s, 90 SP

Mind-blowing!

Great victory

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Not even you can believe those numbers are anything but complete fabrication.

Reports from the ground from Ukrainian commanders paint quite a very different picture btw, but believe whatever fits your narrative however ridiculous it looks to anybody taking even 5 seconds to think about it.