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It's as if there are no Asians in Russia
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It's as if there are no Asians in Russia
They’re all on the frontline, trying to work out which way to point their rifles.
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Please don’t force them to look up which countries it borders. I’m enjoying my time here.It's as if there are no Asians in Russia
I am well aware of Latvian history. Again, I have personal experience and fully appreciate there has been a divide. But quite literally half of their population is Russian speaking, and their government has only enacted these rules in the last few years. They have now slackened up on stuff like imports from Russia and allowing travel back between the countries, which they initially restricted after the invasion, because they realised they were just cutting their noses off to spite their face.
There is a long and complicated history between the two countries, and I did not once say there wasn't. But are you comfortable with an EU (or any modern) country acting in such a way towards its own citizens? Because I'm certainly not. And it's sad, and frightening to see such persecution - it shouldn't just be shrugged off as being okay.
The rest of your post, I'm sure you aren't suggesting the US (and by proxy its allies) hasn't interfered with/bullied over countries? What you are, I think very fairly, saying about Russia there can be equally applied to every major nation on the planet.
I've not once said Russia/Putin are blameless. But you saying 'NATO is a defensive organisation' is fine, but you can't then ignore that they did position themselves right on Russia's border - that's not defence. And you know it.
So, they've played a part (the West) - and they knew the battleground wouldn't be their own countries, but a country like Ukraine. The ultimate issue is still Putin choosing to invade, I don't disagree there, but the elements at play here are much more grey than you made them out to be in previous posts. And nearly 3 years on all the Western allies have done is essentially keep it going rather than attempted in any way to bring around peace.
I think that's the most likely outcome if the war were to be stopped now, yes - and that's what I mean about concessions. We're ultimately in a position where that will have to be the case.
I believe he'd have chucked even more military weight behind it and would have used even more devastating weaponry - to an extent that the Russian forces would have eventually broken through unless the West had intervened to the extent of having people/armour on the ground and not just offering support/funding and tech etc.
In March 2022 Chernobyl was taken by Russian - that's only 55m from Kyiv. A quick read up on Wiki (hardly the most reliable but for ease) shows that the forces then withdrew to focus on the Eastern front and the Kyiv attack was abandoned.
Capture of Chernobyl - Wikipedia
Now, if Putin had really, really wanted to take/destroy Kyiv, as in lay it to ruin, I think he'd have pushed on at that stage very early in the invasion.
Again this isn't a defence of his actions but if that had been the goal, to just wipe out/occupy the capital and kill off Ukraine's leadership there and then, it could have been done. And he'd have thrown even more weight at it than he already has.
Tennessee Blue Mike
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Sweden, Finland Urge Residents to Be Ready for War
Sweden began sending pamphlets advising residents how to prepare for possible war and Finland launched a website, as Ukraine fights the Russian invasion.
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Looking likely for more countries to be entangled.
Genuinely, where else should they position themselves where one of the primary threats to a number of member states has bee potential Russian aggression?
It’s pretty much saying it is aggressive to have a small* deterrent that potentially stops Russia being aggressive, like in George and Ukraine.
Let’s not forget the political interference in Baltic states, blatant acts of provocative espionage and subterfuge and general flexing of military muscles.
I’ll go back to the point: what induced Latvia joining NATO? Answers on a post card. Russia sees it as aggressive because it limits their influence.
*NATO has roughly 10,000 troops deployed in the Baltic (excluding natives), with over half of this there for training deployments.
NilSatisOptimum
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Europe and Nato need to step up fully now. No more too little too late approach, Trump will soon broker his peace and the happy clappers lap it up, however, in essence just be a truce with Putin, which will allow him to collect his thoughts or regroup the armchair General's would proclaim. Be in no doubt at some point Putin and his cronies will come for rest of the Ukraine, as they all see Ukraine as sovereign Russian territory.
bluestevon
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If NATO directly intervenes there will be a nuclear war. Make zero mistake about that.
Be in absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.
NilSatisOptimum
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Doubt it. Putin will be delighted some believe this. Lost count how many times he peddles nuclear armageddon.
Reckon the only time Putin would consider the nuclear option is when he himself was about to loose everything, becuase he family and cronies don't survive his regime being overthrown.
Russia under Putin is just a bully. Only way to deal with bullies is hitting back hard very hard.
Glad to see you’ve fixed your crystal ball.
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