Current Affairs Ukraine

[davek]

Whatever your perspective on this war, this has to be seen as wrong. All discipline has gone.

 

[davek]

The North Korean 'escalation':

About 10,000 North Korean soldiers were believed to be based in the Russian border region of Kursk, Lloyd Austin said, where they were being “integrated into the Russian formations”. “Based upon what they’ve been trained on, the way they’ve been integrated into the Russian formations, I fully expect to see them engaged in combat soon,” the Pentagon chief said. He had “not seen significant reporting” of North Korean troops being “actively engaged in combat” to date, he said.

Absolute spoofer.

 

[davids]

Glad to see you’ve fixed your crystal ball.

Or Ukrainian troops will sweep East and take back all the lost territory plus Crimea. What's your money on?

 

[davids]

Doubt it. Putin will be delighted some believe this. Lost count how many times he peddles nuclear armageddon.

Reckon the only time Putin would consider the nuclear option is when he himself was about to loose everything, becuase he family and cronies don't survive his regime being overthrown.

Russia under Putin is just a bully. Only way to deal with bullies is hitting back hard very hard.

Depends who's doing the "hitting back hard" Do you think there'd be an appetite for conscription in the UK?

 

[Kurt.]

It's over for Ukraine.

Trump is said to be creating a special envoy role to go with a plan to freeze the conflict, and Russia are making rapid progress in eastern Ukraine.

Dread to think who this special envoy might be…. Probably Hulk Hogan

 

[davids]

I am well aware of Latvian history. Again, I have personal experience and fully appreciate there has been a divide. But quite literally half of their population is Russian speaking, and their government has only enacted these rules in the last few years. They have now slackened up on stuff like imports from Russia and allowing travel back between the countries, which they initially restricted after the invasion, because they realised they were just cutting their noses off to spite their face.

There is a long and complicated history between the two countries, and I did not once say there wasn't. But are you comfortable with an EU (or any modern) country acting in such a way towards its own citizens? Because I'm certainly not. And it's sad, and frightening to see such persecution - it shouldn't just be shrugged off as being okay.

The rest of your post, I'm sure you aren't suggesting the US (and by proxy its allies) hasn't interfered with/bullied over countries? What you are, I think very fairly, saying about Russia there can be equally applied to every major nation on the planet.

I've not once said Russia/Putin are blameless. But you saying 'NATO is a defensive organisation' is fine, but you can't then ignore that they did position themselves right on Russia's border - that's not defence. And you know it.

So, they've played a part (the West) - and they knew the battleground wouldn't be their own countries, but a country like Ukraine. The ultimate issue is still Putin choosing to invade, I don't disagree there, but the elements at play here are much more grey than you made them out to be in previous posts. And nearly 3 years on all the Western allies have done is essentially keep it going rather than attempted in any way to bring around peace.

For the children in the playground your post singles you out a Putin apologist...but oddly one of the more confused of the little group gave it the thumbs up. Very odd.

 

[davids]

If NATO directly intervenes there will be a nuclear war. Make zero mistake about that.

Be in absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.

Schrödinger's Putin. Total lunatic. Who'd never launch a first strike.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

For the children in the playground your post singles you out a Putin apologist...but oddly one of the more confused of the little group gave it the thumbs up. Very odd.

On about children and playgrounds again you absolute danger.

 

[tsubaki]

Depends who's doing the "hitting back hard" Do you think there'd be an appetite for conscription in the UK?

I think there’d be more of an appetite for it if the circumstances warranted it.

People are in the main sensible and I think they accept a lot less if they thought it was justified - the first covid wave, where people followed instructions exactly and volunteered in unprecedented numbers proved that. If this government said that, because of the international situation, we’re going to consume less petrol / fewer imports, there’d be more central planning of the economy, fewer rights (eg: a social media crackdown) and more people in uniform I think we’d all be surprised how little objection there was to it.

A regime that proved itself to be incompetent would be quickly removed if that happened though.

 

[davek]

Dread to think who this special envoy might be…. Probably Hulk Hogan

It could be anyone who says to Zelensky: "You're getting no more cash or weapons. Sign here".

 

[Kurt.]

It could be anyone who says to Zelensky: "You're getting no more cash or weapons. Rips his vest off and says Sign here".

 

[Eidean]

I've not once said Russia/Putin are blameless. But you saying 'NATO is a defensive organisation' is fine, but you can't then ignore that they did position themselves right on Russia's border - that's not defence. And you know it.

Of course it’s defence.

What do you think the Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians & now the Finns are defending themselves from?

 

[davids]

On about children and playgrounds again you absolute danger.

There you go again with the playground gibes,wonder who really is the danger,you seem to bring that up often...

 

[Ming the Merciful]

There you go again with the playground gibes,wonder who really is the danger,you seem to bring that up often...

Ah the old "I know what you are, what am I?" response.

Predictably pathetic.

 

[davids]

I think there’d be more of an appetite for it if the circumstances warranted it.

People are in the main sensible and I think they accept a lot less if they thought it was justified - the first covid wave, where people followed instructions exactly and volunteered in unprecedented numbers proved that. If this government said that, because of the international situation, we’re going to consume less petrol / fewer imports, there’d be more central planning of the economy, fewer rights (eg: a social media crackdown) and more people in uniform I think we’d all be surprised how little objection there was to it.

A regime that proved itself to be incompetent would be quickly removed if that happened though.

I think suddenly it'd be someone else's war. All well and good chest thumping online,but going off to actually fight,something very different.