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[Ming the Merciful]

I think suddenly it'd be someone else's war. All well and good chest thumping online,but going off to actually fight,something very different.

The voice of experience from the battlefield of the Charity Crusades.

 

[davids]

Ah the old "I know what you are, what am I?" response.

Predictably pathetic.

Minge,you must do better. You actually gave a thumbs up to a post suggesting the war was being prolonged by NATO for their benefit. You seem very confused about so many things. Maybe the age of prospective partners?

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Minge,you must do better. You actually gave a thumbs up to a post suggesting the war was being prolonged by NATO for their benefit. You seem very confused about so many things. Maybe the age of prospective partners?

I'll think you'll find that was a poster with a similar username.

Hope that helps your confusion.

 

[tsubaki]

I think suddenly it'd be someone else's war. All well and good chest thumping online,but going off to actually fight,something very different.

Well what you said was reintroduce conscription, not go and fight.

 

[PhilM]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Just for future reference..

Which one of the bedwetters in this thread is an alt-account again? All 3?

More than 3

 

[bluestevon]

Doubt it. Putin will be delighted some believe this. Lost count how many times he peddles nuclear armageddon.

Reckon the only time Putin would consider the nuclear option is when he himself was about to loose everything, becuase he family and cronies don't survive his regime being overthrown.

Russia under Putin is just a bully. Only way to deal with bullies is hitting back hard very hard.

What you suggested was NATO goes in and kicks Russia fully out of the Ukraine, I'm assuming by which you mean a comprehensive defeat of the Russian army, assuming that would be achievable - a big assumption btw - then what happens, Russia just goes oh well, we lost?

Would NATO at that point just reach the borders of Russia and go ok lads that's it, given the losses achieved on both sides would be absolutely horrendous and all major NATO European nations for certain will have had large strikes delivered to them (conventional we are still using the theory of no nuclear escalation in this hypothesis).

Or the Russian people will see the sight of Germany, French, Romania the Baltics, the Finns, Poles and the Brits all actively engaged in killing Russians and ofc striking deep into Russian territory as they would do. I'd speculate the entire of NATO would then be heavily pushing to go that little but further with the idea of 'finishing the job'

If you for one second believe it wouldn't escalate to nuclear by that point because Putin likes his family and money, then it's an astonishing lack of understanding of Russia, the history, culture and everything to do with the reality.

 

[bluestevon]

Doubt it. Putin will be delighted some believe this. Lost count how many times he peddles nuclear armageddon.

Reckon the only time Putin would consider the nuclear option is when he himself was about to loose everything, becuase he family and cronies don't survive his regime being overthrown.

Russia under Putin is just a bully. Only way to deal with bullies is hitting back hard very hard.

The bully metaphor doesn't work mate, can describe Israel as a bully how's it worked out for the Palestinians to punch them in the nose or for the Arab world when they punched the US in the nose on 9/11 etc. I'd argue that the US has been bullying pretty much everyone for thirty years now - sanctions, invasions, regime overthrows, trade tariffs, hell they even bully their allies i to compliance.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

What you suggested was NATO goes in and kicks Russia fully out of the Ukraine, I'm assuming by which you mean a comprehensive defeat of the Russian army, assuming that would be achievable - a big assumption btw - then what happens, Russia just goes oh well, we lost?

Would NATO at that point just reach the borders of Russia and go ok lads that's it, given the losses achieved on both sides would be absolutely horrendous and all major NATO European nations for certain will have had large strikes delivered to them (conventional we are still using the theory of no nuclear escalation in this hypothesis).

Or the Russian people will see the sight of Germany, French, Romania the Baltics, the Finns, Poles and the Brits all actively engaged in killing Russians and ofc striking deep into Russian territory as they would do. I'd speculate the entire of NATO would then be heavily pushing to go that little but further with the idea of 'finishing the job'

If you for one second believe it wouldn't escalate to nuclear by that point because Putin likes his family and money, then it's an astonishing lack of understanding of Russia, the history, culture and everything to do with the reality.

NATO already shares a massive border with Russia in Europe - it’s called Finland.

Don’t see Putin pumping his gums about that one?

NATO won’t go nuclear first strike - it’s not in the doctrine. So Putin has nothing to fear about the existential threat to Russia. He’s just blagging as always. He simply wants the Donbas, the Sea of Azov, and a land bridge to Crimea.

Imperialistic land-grab, pure and simple wrapped up with the NATO expansion, Ukrainian Nazi excuses.

Yawn

All Trump has to do is force down the barrel price of oil and Putin will come crawling in tears to the negotiating table.

 

[Rita_Poon]

"It's called Finland"

 

[davids]

The voice of experience from the battlefield of the Charity Crusades.

Some of us are doer's others talkers. We know which you are...Walter.

 

[davids]

Well what you said was reintroduce conscription, not go and fight.

Can't really see why the UK would conscript unless it was to put boots on the ground in Ukraine. That's when the true appetite for action would become apparent. Wonder if some of our vastly experienced forum Desktop Battalion would be head of the line to sign up.

 

[bluestevon]

NATO already shares a massive border with Russia in Europe - it’s called Finland.

Don’t see Putin pumping his gums about that one?

NATO won’t go nuclear first strike - it’s not in the doctrine. So Putin has nothing to fear about the existential threat to Russia. He’s just blagging as always. He simply wants the Donbas, the Sea of Azov, and a land bridge to Crimea.

Imperialistic land-grab, pure and simple wrapped up with the NATO expansion, Ukrainian Nazi excuses.

Yawn

All Trump has to do is force down the barrel price of oil and Putin will come crawling in tears to the negotiating table.

Never seen an army invade Russia through Finland though have you, historically Russia has multiple times been invaded through the Ukrainian region though. Finland joining NATO - which only happened two years ago essentially doesn't particularly alter any regional dynamic, putting added pressure on Kaliningrad aside.

No nuclear first strike doctrine from NATO? Really, news to me, when did they update that policy exactly as I must have missed it.

"Ensure the ability to carry out strategic bombing promptly by all means possible with all types of weapons without exception.” is the stated NATO doctrine - that's courtesy of the NATO site btw.

NATO have what's called a feminine first strike doctrine, meaning exactly that, if it suits they will do so.

Could link numerous US policy think tanks such as from RAND - advocating a decapitation nuclear strike on Russia or China, or historical documents where the US came very close to doing so pentagon papers, wiki leaks both revealed these - Cuban crisis being just one, another being the Korean war another being Vietnam, all three had senior generals advocating a first strike.

Only India and China have a no first strike policy.

Land grab were for years they argued for the implementation of the Minsk agreements which would hd e guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty and ked to no conflict. One zekensky ran on actually implementing until he git elected then found out Minsk was only ever an excuse to prepare for a war (in the west mind - see both Hollander and Merkel confirming this).

AHH the old Russia is just a gas station with nukes idea, didn't work out to well when within a few days I'd the sanctions Biden was crowing about destroying the russian currency did it.

Not sure how Trump curves down the barrel price of oil exactly, OPEC+1 msy hsve something to say about that - given the +1 is Russia i doubt thry would (they already laughed off Biden trying to get production increases and actually cut it instead)

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Never seen an army invade Russia through Finland though have you, historically Russia has multiple times been invaded through the Ukrainian region though. Finland joining NATO - which only happened two years ago essentially doesn't particularly alter any regional dynamic, putting added pressure on Kaliningrad aside.

No nuclear first strike doctrine from NATO? Really, news to me, when did they update that policy exactly as I must have missed it.

"Ensure the ability to carry out strategic bombing promptly by all means possible with all types of weapons without exception.” is the stated NATO doctrine - that's courtesy of the NATO site btw.

NATO have what's called a feminine first strike doctrine, meaning exactly that, if it suits they will do so.

Could link numerous US policy think tanks such as from RAND - advocating a decapitation nuclear strike on Russia or China, or historical documents where the US came very close to doing so pentagon papers, wiki leaks both revealed these - Cuban crisis being just one, another being the Korean war another being Vietnam, all three had senior generals advocating a first strike.

Only India and China have a no first strike policy.

Land grab were for years they argued for the implementation of the Minsk agreements which would hd e guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty and ked to no conflict. One zekensky ran on actually implementing until he git elected then found out Minsk was only ever an excuse to prepare for a war (in the west mind - see both Hollander and Merkel confirming this).

AHH the old Russia is just a gas station with nukes idea, didn't work out to well when within a few days I'd the sanctions Biden was crowing about destroying the russian currency did it.

Not sure how Trump curves down the barrel price of oil exactly, OPEC+1 msy hsve something to say about that - given the +1 is Russia i doubt thry would (they already laughed off Biden trying to get production increases and actually cut it instead)

Excellent googling chico lar.

 

[bluestevon]

Excellent googling chico lar.

If you tried it you may have known what the nuclear doctrine for NATO is, assuming you weren't just simply lying about it deliberately.