Current Affairs Ukraine

[davids]

Shhh. Don't mention the war, it's not going so well.

Also I raised an eyebrow a month or so ago about the Russians getting to the Dneiper and taking Dnipro when you mentioned it. Well seeing as the Russians are virtually past the main line of Ukrainian defences in the south and there's nothing more until the Dneiper then you were probably right.

I also don’t think that the war is over until Russia has what it set out for regardless of who wins. A Harris win equals the same as usual and a continued grind to the Dneiper and a rethink of if it is worth pushing on. A Trump win equals a faster reaching of the Dneiper and the same outcome. Winter won't affect the Russians so much who have a good road network to carry the fighting on.

I've seen comments about joining up the Volchansk- Kupiansk in the north and grinding on to Odessa as being on the cards from hawkish Russian channels. I don't even know what the response to that could be.

Looking very grim at the moment for the Ukrainians.

Potato joke coming your way then.

 

[Yarrgh]

Potato joke coming your way then.

Hopefully chips or crisps. Mrs Yarrrgh has banned me off them for being too fat.

 

[Rita_Poon]

packet in?

 

[Xizor]

All wars end.

Well, yes and also no. Ongoing violence usually wears itself out but the root causes of some wars remain unresolved and cause lasting problems for geographic regions down the generations. The Korean war is technically still ongoing and neither state recognises the other. The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was 50 years ago and has never been truly sorted out, the ethnically Turkish inhabitants of the island live as international pariahs as their 'nation' is unrecognised by anyone but Turkey.

There's also a little matter of the Middle East, which has seen a few wars involved Israel officially end, but that's hardly brought any lasting peace to the region.

You have to look beyond simple front line fighting and lose the assumption that once the guns have stopped everyone just gets along and is free to lead a happy comfortable life doing whatever they want.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Well, yes and also no. Ongoing violence usually wears itself out but the root causes of some wars remain unresolved and cause lasting problems for geographic regions down the generations. The Korean war is technically still ongoing and neither state recognises the other. The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was 50 years ago and has never been truly sorted out, the ethnically Turkish inhabitants of the island live as international pariahs as their 'nation' is unrecognised by anyone but Turkey.

There's also a little matter of the Middle East, which has seen a few wars involved Israel officially end, but that's hardly brought any lasting peace to the region.

In light of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, I would suggest that it is important to recognise the historical parallels between Putin's actions and those of past aggressors like Hitler. Both leaders sought to expand their influence through force, undermining the sovereignty of neighbouring nations. The reality we face today is that the imperialism driving Putin’s regime cannot be contained through negotiations or appeasement alone. He has demonstrated this.

Some dont want to, or wont see it this way, but the only way to effectively end this war and deter future aggression from Putins regime is through a decisive defeat of his ambitions. Just as the defeat of Nazi Germany was necessary to halt its expansion and restore peace to Europe, so too must the international community, especially Europe, remain united to challenge and dismantle Putin's imperialist agenda.

This is not only about defending Ukraine but the principles of freedom and democracy that underpin the free world - and the rights that those before us fought for. History has shown us that tyrants will only be emboldened by weakness. Sadly, the only choice the west has is to stand firm and ensure that this conflict does not become the prelude to a larger crisis.

Only through maintaining our support and resolute action can we hope to secure a lasting peace and address the resurgence of authoritarianism in our world. That is the choice Putin is presenting us with.

 

[Cecil]

I remember when this thread was informative and now it’s just @davek jizzing his ballies over any Russian gain and old man @davids ranting about upstart youngsters. Then we get a cameo from @bluestevon that was word spaghetti and now all we need is @Kev The Rat

 

[Rita_Poon]

He does post a lot of Twitter content,but maybe he needs help. Luckily there's a thread just for that purpose.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Potato joke coming your way then.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Haha I’m laughing at you children and your insults don’t bother me I’M NOT BOTHERED.

Sounds like someone has a massive chip on their shoulder.

POTATO JOKE!!!!

 

[davek]

Well, yes and also no. Ongoing violence usually wears itself out but the root causes of some wars remain unresolved and cause lasting problems for geographic regions down the generations. The Korean war is technically still ongoing and neither state recognises the other. The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was 50 years ago and has never been truly sorted out, the ethnically Turkish inhabitants of the island live as international pariahs as their 'nation' is unrecognised by anyone but Turkey.

There's also a little matter of the Middle East, which has seen a few wars involved Israel officially end, but that's hardly brought any lasting peace to the region.

You have to look beyond simple front line fighting and lose the assumption that once the guns have stopped everyone just gets along and is free to lead a happy comfortable life doing whatever they want.

Well this all out war will end soon. Before it we had skirmishes in the east of Ukraine from 2012. If Russia can ensure no repeat of that from Ukraine's western sponsors then this matter can be resolved.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[davek]

I remember when this thread was informative and now it’s just @davek jizzing his ballies over any Russian gain and old man @davids ranting about upstart youngsters. Then we get a cameo from @bluestevon that was word spaghetti and now all we need is @Kev The Rat

No, you're very wrong. It's still a thread dominated by @Spadge Vernacular and other fellow travellers arguing for perma-war. A simple count of posts in this thread would tell you that. What you're complaining about is the awkward intervention of others who want to talk about ending the conflict.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

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Left field...

 

[Eidean]

No, you're very wrong. It's still a thread dominated by @Spadge Vernacular and other fellow travellers arguing for perma-war. A simple count of posts in this thread would tell you that. What you're complaining about is the awkward intervention of others who want to talk about ending the conflict.

Ahh, that again.

Everyone wants an end to the war, some of us want to see Ukrainian keep as much of THEIR land as possible, others clearly don’t mind Russian expansion.

 

[COYBL25]

I remember when this thread was informative and now it’s just @davek jizzing his ballies over any Russian gain and old man @davids ranting about upstart youngsters. Then we get a cameo from @bluestevon that was word spaghetti and now all we need is @Kev The Rat

Comrade Ratski was thread banned from this thread a long time ago.