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[tsubaki]

I have it backwards? Or you've done your usual?

Oppression can and does fuel resistance and strengthen identity. That said, it’s important not to reduce Ukrainian identity to a byproduct of Russian policy. Ukraine has a rich cultural and historical legacy that predates Russian control, and attempts to erase it, like the Holodomor, were meant to destroy, not create, national identity. While Russian repression may have galvanised resistance, it doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine’s unique identity has existed independently of Russian influence for centuries. Putin’s claim that there wasn’t a Ukraine 400 years ago misses the point that many modern nations didn’t exist in their current form, but that doesn’t negate the legitimacy of their identity today

Kyiv, was founded in 482 and is one of the oldest cities in Europe, predating Moscow by 665 years. Moscow itself was founded by Yuriy Dolgoruky, the Grand Prince of Kyiv, illustrating that the cultural and political roots of modern Russia actually stem from Kyiv. Ignoring this history is a key part of Russian propaganda, which seeks to erase Ukraine's deep historical legacy and portray Ukrainian identity as a modern or artificial creation. The reality is that Ukraine has a rich, independent history that Russia attempts to obscure to justify its own expansionist ambitions, which, from that post, you have bought into.

I think that last paragraph shows exactly how you are backwards on this.

As you say, Kiev is older than and has a more important role in the foundation of the "Russian" state than Moscow does. To speak of a "rich, independent history" though is exactly the same failing that you criticize Russian propaganda for, in the sense of putting identities we have now back in places where they do not belong - back then, and right down to the 13th century, this was not a separate people to the people then living around Moscow.

That state was not Russian, nor was it Ukrainian, it was something else - the subsequent identities came much later.

 

[davids]

Way off the mark there lad.. there's a reason that former soviet states were/are queueing up to join NATO. Russia don't even treat their own people with dignity or respect imagine what they'd do to an occupied population. I'd take death over occupation and oppression any day and be more than willing to go down fighting for the future of my country.

That's your right obviously,but the lack of support from Ukrainians living in Poland for the mobilisation of a Legion to join the front lines and the resistance shown by those being forcibly conscripted would point to there not being an apatite for war amongst young Ukrainian men anymore.

 

[davids]

 

[davids]

That is one really, really bad post fella.

It would be if you're a young Ukrainian male. Or do they just have to die anyway?

 

[davids]

Goes well beyond simple ignorance this. Astonishing lack of historical comprehension, there are plenty of occupied peoples down the years that you could look at and read the death tolls it took on their population. Genocide doesn't happen on the battlefield, it happens when one group of people is in complete power over another group and the killing is legal and systematic. But you dismiss it all as temporary "feelings"?

Absolutely abhorrent excuse for a human being you, got to be a reason why you do nothing else with your life but sit in here 24/7 cheerleading for tyranny. No surprise with those views that everyone else in your life (hypothetical kids, hypothetical work colleagues) must have all gone non-contact with you, you utter weird jackboot fanatic.

You'll be on your way to help them out then?
Or will you be posting just one that I have ever made supporting Russia's illegal invasion?
Or maybe you'll just carry on blabbing aimlessly...

 

[larrygobfiend]

You'll be on your way to help them out then?
Or will you be posting just one that I have ever made supporting Russia's illegal invasion?
Or maybe you'll just carry on blabbing aimlessly...

You’re a coward.

Imagine if the likes of you were knocking about during the Second World War.

Help yourself everything Adolph lad.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

That's your right obviously,but the lack of support from Ukrainians living in Poland for the mobilisation of a Legion to join the front lines and the resistance shown by those being forcibly conscripted would point to there not being an apatite for war amongst young Ukrainian men anymore.

Can you explain the fact then, that there are thousands of Ukrainians currently undergoing military training in multiple European countries?

You’ve picked up on a media headline and as per usual gone off on another crusade without having done any research.

You’re an idiot.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I think that last paragraph shows exactly how you are backwards on this.

As you say, Kiev is older than and has a more important role in the foundation of the "Russian" state than Moscow does. To speak of a "rich, independent history" though is exactly the same failing that you criticize Russian propaganda for, in the sense of putting identities we have now back in places where they do not belong - back then, and right down to the 13th century, this was not a separate people to the people then living around Moscow.

That state was not Russian, nor was it Ukrainian, it was something else - the subsequent identities came much later.

Are you American?

That aside, I agree that Kyivan Rus was neither 'Russian' nor 'Ukrainian' in the way we think of those identities today. It was a medieval state whose legacy influenced the development of both modern nations. That said, while national identities were not fully formed during that period, it is important to recognise that Kyivan Rus played a foundational role in shaping the distinct cultural and historical development of the people in what is now Ukraine and Russia . Over time, the political, linguistic, and cultural distinctions between the regions became more pronounced, especially after the Genghis Khans grandkid invaded Russia and the subsequent rise of Moscow as a separate center of power.

So while the people of Kyiv and Moscow may have shared roots in the early medieval period, the history of Kyivan Rus still forms a key part of Ukraine’s independent identity today. It's not just about projecting modern identities onto the past, but acknowledging how that shared history eventually led to the development of distinct national trajectories. Go to Kyiv and start spouting this Russian view of the world and you'd be put in your place.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

[POTATO]It would be if you're a young Russian male. Or do they just have to die anyway?[/POTATO]

Potato filter added, Spudnik.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

That's your right obviously,but the lack of support from Ukrainians living in Poland for the mobilisation of a Legion to join the front lines and the resistance shown by those being forcibly conscripted would point to there not being an apatite for war amongst young Ukrainian men anymore.

Russian will to join the fight is so high they have had to resort to using prisoners though innit Spudnik.

 

[tsubaki]

Are you American?

That aside, I agree that Kyivan Rus was neither 'Russian' nor 'Ukrainian' in the way we think of those identities today. It was a medieval state whose legacy influenced the development of both modern nations. That said, while national identities were not fully formed during that period, it is important to recognise that Kyivan Rus played a foundational role in shaping the distinct cultural and historical development of the people in what is now Ukraine and Russia . Over time, the political, linguistic, and cultural distinctions between the regions became more pronounced, especially after the Genghis Khans grandkid invaded Russia and the subsequent rise of Moscow as a separate center of power.

So while the people of Kyiv and Moscow may have shared roots in the early medieval period, the history of Kyivan Rus still forms a key part of Ukraine’s independent identity today. It's not just about projecting modern identities onto the past, but acknowledging how that shared history eventually led to the development of distinct national trajectories. Go to Kyiv and start spouting this Russian view of the world and you'd be put in your place.

Not sure how you got to a "Russian view of the world" here tbh - I was criticizing you and the Russian propagandists for doing the same thing.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not sure how you got to a "Russian view of the world" here tbh - I was criticizing you and the Russian propagandists for doing the same thing.

The Putin was right bit.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Feelings are temporary,death is permanent.

Do you feel the same way about colonized indigenous nations then by the same logic? Bad weapon you.

 

[davids]

Do you feel the same way about colonized indigenous nations then by the same logic? Bad weapon you.

It's easy to talk of extending wars from the comfort of a sofa. Obviously the fact that Ukraine's main backer stated well over a year ago that they can't retake the Donbass and Crimea and the war can at best end in a stalemate that will go on for years flew right over your head. Dimwitted doesn't quite describe your levels of delusion. Ukraine is becoming smaller by the day,but again that'll have escaped your notice...

 

[davids]

You’re a coward.

Imagine if the likes of you were knocking about during the Second World War.

Help yourself everything Adolph lad.

I'd say the cowards are the ones wanting the war to carry on while posting on social media instead of getting off their behinds to join the fight.