Current Affairs Ukraine

[Spadge Vernacular]

You have this backwards - it’s those incidents, and all the daily reminders that they are not Russian, that is the primary driver behind the generation of a distinct Ukrainian identity. They might have been attempts to erase it but they’ve created and then strengthened it.

Putin was right when he said that 400 years ago there wasn’t a “Ukraine ”; that there is now is almost entirely down to Russian government policy during that time.

I have it backwards? Or you've done your usual?

Oppression can and does fuel resistance and strengthen identity. That said, it’s important not to reduce Ukrainian identity to a byproduct of Russian policy. Ukraine has a rich cultural and historical legacy that predates Russian control, and attempts to erase it, like the Holodomor, were meant to destroy, not create, national identity. While Russian repression may have galvanised resistance, it doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine’s unique identity has existed independently of Russian influence for centuries. Putin’s claim that there wasn’t a Ukraine 400 years ago misses the point that many modern nations didn’t exist in their current form, but that doesn’t negate the legitimacy of their identity today

Kyiv, was founded in 482 and is one of the oldest cities in Europe, predating Moscow by 665 years. Moscow itself was founded by Yuriy Dolgoruky, the Grand Prince of Kyiv, illustrating that the cultural and political roots of modern Russia actually stem from Kyiv. Ignoring this history is a key part of Russian propaganda, which seeks to erase Ukraine's deep historical legacy and portray Ukrainian identity as a modern or artificial creation. The reality is that Ukraine has a rich, independent history that Russia attempts to obscure to justify its own expansionist ambitions, which, from that post, you have bought into.

 

[Yarrgh]

Worth it?

I just watched a channel 4 YouTube video of a 16 day old news report from Pokrovsk.

There were two young Ukrainian soldiers who had volunteered. 35 days training and out to the front line.

Given the extremely short life expectancy of new recruits, it's likely one of those poor lads is dead or his life completely changed due to injury.

Is it worth it? They asked a similar question to the two soldiers who said that too much had been given already to give up now.

They also asked a pensioner and she said that the young ones will all die and that they need to sit down and sort it out peacefully and not waste any more lives.

Is it worth it? I am relieved that it's not my question to answer.

 

[davek]

I just watched a channel 4 YouTube video of a 16 day old news report from Pokrovsk.

There were two young Ukrainian soldiers who had volunteered. 35 days training and out to the front line.

Given the extremely short life expectancy of new recruits, it's likely one of those poor lads is dead or his life completely changed due to injury.

Is it worth it? They asked a similar question to the two soldiers who said that too much had been given already to give up now.

They also asked a pensioner and she said that the young ones will all die and that they need to sit down and sort it out peacefully and not waste any more lives.

Is it worth it? I am relieved that it's not my question to answer.

Its definitely not worth it. This conflict is set in concrete now. Ukraine cant get back their terrirories in the east and the whole world knows it.

For Zelensky to be asking Ukrainian families to send forward more of their young men to die for a war that cant be won is macabre.

He needs to be removed for power and a peace deal forged.

It's alright for all the keyboard generals on here wanting more war, but it's not their family members getting their bodies blown to pieces.

 

[Yarrgh]

Its definitely not worth it. This conflict is set in concrete now. Ukraine cant get back their terrirories in the east and the whole world knows it.

For Zelensky to be asking Ukrainian families to send forward more of their young men to die for a war that cant be won is macabre.

He needs to be removed for power and a peace deal forged.

It's alright for all the keyboard generals on here wanting more war, but it's not their family members getting their bodies blown to pieces.

Pretty much.

Of course, it's all hypothetical and I am not sure either side is ready to work out a deal let alone how it will work outside of Ukraine and Russia with every one else which may well be bigger stumbling blocks to sorting this out.

 

[COYBL25]

Its definitely not worth it. This conflict is set in concrete now. Ukraine cant get back their terrirories in the east and the whole world knows it.

For Zelensky to be asking Ukrainian families to send forward more of their young men to die for a war that cant be won is macabre.

He needs to be removed for power and a peace deal forged.

It's alright for all the keyboard generals on here wanting more war, but it's not their family members getting their bodies blown to pieces.

Or your mate quite simply withdraws his troops from Ukraine and that way no more troops on either side innocent civilians need to die ?

No potato broth for your supper tonight comrade.

 

[Yarrgh]

Or your mate quite simply withdraws his troops from Ukraine and that way no more troops on either side innocent civilians need to die ?

No potato broth for your supper tonight comrade.

But when and in what scenario does Putin order his troops out?

 

[COYBL25]

But when and in what scenario does Putin order his troops out?

When he realises he can’t win, same as Afghanistan.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I just watched a channel 4 YouTube video of a 16 day old news report from Pokrovsk.

There were two young Ukrainian soldiers who had volunteered. 35 days training and out to the front line.

Given the extremely short life expectancy of new recruits, it's likely one of those poor lads is dead or his life completely changed due to injury.

Is it worth it? They asked a similar question to the two soldiers who said that too much had been given already to give up now.

They also asked a pensioner and she said that the young ones will all die and that they need to sit down and sort it out peacefully and not waste any more lives.

Is it worth it? I am relieved that it's not my question to answer.

Only Ukraine can answer that one. They deserve the right to determine their own future.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Only Ukraine can answer that one. They deserve the right to determine their own future.

It'd be beyond naive to think otherwise.

 

[davek]

Or your mate quite simply withdraws his troops from Ukraine and that way no more troops on either side innocent civilians need to die ?

No potato broth for your supper tonight comrade.

That's not going to happen.

Ukraine are a zombie nation and they need to recognise that until they have leaders who can sit down and negotiate a settlement then they'll remain in a state of hardship that could last for years to come with zero hope of seeing Russian troops withdrawn.

If there were a referendum on ending the war it'd get a massive vote for it. The Kyiv regime wont even conduct elections though.

 

[COYBL25]

That's not going to happen.

Ukraine are a zombie nation and they need to recognise that until they have leaders who can sit down and negotiate a settlement then they'll remain in a state of hardship that could last for years to come with zero hope of seeing Russian troops withdrawn.

If there were a referendum on ending the war it'd get a massive vote for it. The Kyiv regime wont even conduct elections though.

Ahh, so it’s all Ukraine’s fault.

Your potato rations are withdrawn forthwith comrade.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Ahh, so it’s all Ukraine’s fault.

Your potato rations are withdrawn forthwith comrade.

Potato filters when applied to posts demonstrate the stupidity or spin of the 24 hour potato people.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russian friendship in Toretsk.

 

[Tipp blue]

Its definitely not worth it. This conflict is set in concrete now. Ukraine cant get back their terrirories in the east and the whole world knows it.

For Zelensky to be asking Ukrainian families to send forward more of their young men to die for a war that cant be won is macabre.

He needs to be removed for power and a peace deal forged.

It's alright for all the keyboard generals on here wanting more war, but it's not their family members getting their bodies blown to pieces.

I'd imagine almost everything you have said there is true of Russia too. Putin is asking Russian families to send more of their young men to death, there is no negotiation with Putin, at the start of the war he spoke of Catherine the great and Alexander the great both of whom were expantionist leaders, Putin the tit wanted his name remembered forever in Russia before he pops his clogs..
That is the reason for the war the expansion of Russia.. every other reason given is little more than propaganda.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Potato filters when applied to posts demonstrate the stupidity or spin of the 24 hour potato people.

[POTATO] Its definitely not worth it. This conflict is set in concrete now. Russia cant get back their terrirories in the Kursk and the whole world knows it.

For Putin to be asking Russian families to send forward more of their young men to die for a war that cant be won is macabre.

He needs to be removed for power and a peace deal forged.

It's alright for all the keyboard potatoes on here wanting more imperialism, but it's not their family members getting their bodies blown to pieces.[/POTATO]