Current Affairs Ukraine

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Give over. Currently 750 usa basis in 80 countries. Inavded countries multiple countries relatively recently. On lies. And when lies exposed and literally became public informatiom stayed in the countries for years and years. Killing civilians on the daily for the past 20+ years.

Drone strikes every day. 90% civilians death rate.
This has nothing to do with why Putin's argument about putting bases in Mexico or Canada is a ridiculous false comparison. The argument is a terrible one so you've had to change course and talk about something else.

They have invaded countries, but not to add them to their borders. I don't support their justifications for invading either Afghanistan or Iraq. I can condemn that.

How can you say one is wrong and turn a blind eye to Putin being a war criminal?

Putin is just saying "I don't like nato. Dont like them so close to me. I am afraid Ukraine Will join nato and so I am taking Ukraine." Its prity transparent if nothing else. . I dont like war. I would rather this not to be happening.

I dont like any capitalistic government like russias. I very much hate my own more than anything.

But the USA is the absolute worst. And must be stopped.

So you'd be OK if the US invaded Canada because we considered joining an alliance with Russia?
 
I think we really need to move past this idea that making compromises is some sort of cowardice, when it's actually just part and parcel of being a mature, grown up.

It dominated the Brexit debacle. In life you have to compromise. You dont always get everything you want, but you can at least avert a bloodbath.
I'm not sure the Ukrainians are the ones who are acting like children here.

'You don't always get what you want'?

Ukraine seemingly had no intention of being in NATO until Russia started funding separatist rebels in 2014.
 
Russia as an idea of 'nation' was conceived in Kiev.
Kiev is symbolic of Russia,
and yet its own place.

But this is becoming a world less of 'national' borders, something that Russia has understood since Kiev. (and China for much longer)

A future of inwardly looking regions seems the inevitable course.

the Ukraine is a vital area to a whole region of people and potential, the region of Russia,
it should have been of pride that such a region could provide so much, so far, for so many
and as the wheel turns the Ukrainians become different from the Russians, but for the tides of humanity and seas that never passed


whichever way you look at the present the Ukraine area ends up in the hands of NATO or Russia, or both
either at the behest of the west and its 'markets', or for the necessity of 'russia'.
it is not fair to ask the Ukrainians to choose.
The area of the Ukraine is more than a nation.


There are going to be crop failures in all parts of the world. Ukraine is vital to the food security of all Russia.

In such times it is not good for markets (US dominant) to be dictating
Here is an interesting clip of Putin talking about what is really going on with the European gas market pricing.

In response to the accusation of Gazprom (Russia) influencing and benefitting from gas prices as the gas prices in Europe set record highs.
Putin:
- Gazprom fulfils all contracts orders
- it further supplied an extra 12per cent; and 20 per cent if you don't include immediate neighbors
- as well as increasing supplies to Europe as well
- in my opinion this is the only country, global company that behaves likes this (increasing supply of long term contracts of natural gas to other regions)
- the US withdrew considerable supplies from Europe, 14m tonnes LNG, they took their gas to markets that would pay more (Europe no longer the premium payer)
- this with bad weather and a cold spring, low storage supply, regen failure and stockpiling brought up the prices.
- now some western operators are storing their gas in underground facilities in the Ukraine
- they're withdrawing it and using it in their own countries - stored gas is much cheaper than market gas
- we've been saying there's no point in destroying long term contracts, while the EU has been telling us to move to market relations, the market will set it right.
- the market is how we ended up with 2000 per thousand cubic meter
- we are the only ones increasing our supply on contracts (at a time when others are either storing or selling to premium or in shortages).
- they end up having trouble meeting their long term contracts (by exploiting their market, and when Russia make up the supply for them Russia is rorting the system?)




> he goes on to say we supply to countries like German at long term contract prices and then they sell that gas at spot prices to Poland
now you might go so what that's the market
what Putin's trying to say is no,no,no,no its our gas you are relying on, the market bit benefits who? - NATO countries

And now NATO is going to influence the gas pricing further through Ukraine by taking away something Russia relies on.

NATO - not only will we do everything possible to make sure we don't rely on you (fair enough) by taking away what you rely on; we'll get to exploit you as well in that vulnerability

in the battle for the supremacy of market over place and people

NATO never meant Russia to benefit from perestroika

Russia responsibility may not be best represented in Putin, but the responsibility is there nonetheless.
To do what NATO is doing by threatening this source of strength for Russia is wrong and it forces Putin's and more so Russia's hand in claiming back the territory.

Nah, you're excusing a lunatic.

Do I think NATO are perfect? Not at all. Maybe Ukraine shouldn't join. But Putin's picked a moment of perceived weakness (and NATO is weak) and he's struck. He's a lunatic. His hand hasn't been forced at all. He wants a fight. He invaded Georgia in 2008, he has political opponents killed. Russia have been fighting Ukraine in one way or the other for the last eight years. Russia-funded rebels shot down a passenger jet ffs, and people just went ah well.
 
BTW, I think the UN, EU, US, UK, NATO - they're all to blame too. Every world leader and global organisation have played their part in allowing this to happen.

But the bloke(s) who ordered the invasion, well they're the real lunatics. They've brought war to Europe. To one of the biggest nations in the east of the continent and probably one of the most developed in certain ways, especially compared to the Baltic nations to the north.
 
China, India and the UAE can get in the bin with Russia.

I for one hope the Ukrainians keep fighting for as long as it takes our spinless leaders to actually do something and support them.

Slava Ukraini!
Me too! Despite an overwhelming advantage in manpower and equipment. Putin’s blunt attack on the innocent people of Ukraine has motivated them more than ever to arm themselves, fight for their country and put a resistance to this attack like Putin never expected it would happen. But Ukraine won’t be able to continue fighting this battle for too long. The US, Europe and all NATO alliances are going have to make a decision on whether to let Putin take over another country forcefully without repercussions, or hold him accountable. It is unfortunate that we are at the edge of a another world war that should have not been happening :(
 
Zatmania, I voted for Biden. Not because I think he’s any good, but he was better than the alternative. Can we stop pretending Trump would’ve handled this any better though? If anything we’d probably be a temper tantrum away from all our nuclear war.
Some people on this forum keep forgetting that Biden was the best option we had. Because having Trump for another four years could have brought worse consequences than the invasion of Ukraine.
 
The whole civilised world should stand with Ukraine. It doesn't matter who is saying what, there is no 100% truth in the war, of course.

But the fault is always on aggressor's side. ALWAYS. Russia is the aggresor here and Putin's regime has innocent blood of civilians on its hands.

Russia is a country with so many possibilities, resources, fantastic sportsmen, genious art (I think that Russian cinematography beats Hollywood comfortably and probably is the best in the world), great scientists and many others. They should be flying to the Mars or looking for a cure for the cancer. And instead Russian politics has always been barbaric, offensive and inhuman. Instead of focusing on growth and development they choose the path of war and destruction. Putin will be remembered as a war criminal when he is gone.

What a utter waste of potential.
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