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If you were faced with going to the front you'd be shaking like a defecating dog mate.

To actively want kids - and that's all they are at 18 and 19 - to go and throw themselves into a meat grinder is a terrible thing to want.

If older men from their mid-to-late-20s onward want to fight for their country then ok, let them do it. They've had at least some time to live a little.
It’s been the same in every war, ever!
Again, it’s your weird obsession with Z-man that is driving this while hiding behind stupid, pointles non-events
 
I have no obsession with any war lord. I have an abiding wish for peace to break out.
It’s not going to happen in the way you hope Dave.

One of the reasons that I’ve thrown in my hand and want Russia to win this by total subjugation of Ukraine is because I see it as the only road to peace. They cannot and will not be driven out of Ukraine.

NATO and the west are insane and won’t stop simply because they can’t handle the idea of a rival power succeeding.
 
It’s not going to happen in the way you hope Dave.

One of the reasons that I’ve thrown in my hand and want Russia to win this by total subjugation of Ukraine is because I see it as the only road to peace. They cannot and will not be driven out of Ukraine.

NATO and the west are insane and won’t stop simply because they can’t handle the idea of a rival power succeeding.

As I've said all along: I don't see this as a zero sum game. There has to be some deal that leaves Russia feeling safe and Ukraine the chance to establish nation-hood.

Loads of conflicts through time have looked intractable, but they always end and its usually a deal that ends them rather than a rout for one side over the other.
 
As I've said all along: I don't see this as a zero sum game. There has to be some deal that leaves Russia feeling safe and Ukraine the chance to establish nation-hood.

Loads of conflicts through time have looked intractable, but they always end and its usually a deal that ends them rather than a rout for one side over the other.
Show me the deal in Syria that looks likely ? How many years now ?
 
The young Ukrainians are gone. They either have fled from Ukraine or are wounded, disabled or died. You can not mobilize what is no longer there.

A huge loss that will forever haunt that country.

End this war now!
War ends right now if the Russians went beck to where they came from and admit the referndum was a sham.. let the soldiers go home and hug their families.. by far the easiest way to end it.
 
War ends right now if the Russians went beck to where they came from and admit the referndum was a sham.. let the soldiers go home and hug their families.. by far the easiest way to end it.
No silly.

Thats not how Dave and Kev think it should end.

They think Ukraine should lay down their arms and surrender to Russia, thats the "sensible" option.

Those stupid Ukraines, why are they defending their homeland? Why dont they just give up? Senseless loss of life, *shakes fist at the Ukraines.
 
Fascinating insights

Except they aren’t fascinating at all because your premise in no way fits the facts on the ground
You think its more realistic for Ukraine to say welcome foreign hoards take some of our land but you've got to promise you won't come back for more once you've built back up stockpiles.. You don't make deals with Putin, Prigozhin made a deal with Putin and how did that work out?
 
The young Ukrainians are gone. They either have fled from Ukraine or are wounded, disabled or died. You can not mobilize what is no longer there.

A huge loss that will forever haunt that country.

End this war now!
Why do you call this war “war” comrade? Hasn’t your master explained that it's just a Special Military Operation? You would land in jail for such blasphemy if you lived in your beloved Russia.
 
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