Current Affairs Ukraine

[larrygobfiend]

So actually you be ok with this carrying on with this for a half decade or more as in your view there’s no other option other than a neat demarcation?

No timescales whatsoever in terms of how long the bloodshed should be allowed to continue?

The bloodshed will continue when the Russians open up the death camps. That’s what will happen if Ukraine surrenders.

You’ll probably welcome that.

 

[Kev The Rat]

We all saw the reactions of Russian people when Prigozhin started his march to Moscow unopposed to cheers and celebrations on the streets.. I do believe that at that time Russians believed he was going all the way to Moscow to overthrow the regime..
Putin rules through fear the actual thoughts of people will remain thoughts.

Prigozhin the man who was responsible for executing the war in a very violent and bloody manner.

Frustrated in fact with the slow pace of it.

This patriot Cheered and celebrated on his march for his accomplishments in enlarging the Russian state.

Unopposed only as Putin didn’t want bloodshed on the streets. Unopposed also because Putin knew he had nothing to fear from him.

Yes damning evidence against the pro war camp….I don’t think so.

His crime - and it was a crime - was disillusionment with the way the war was being run not necessarily the war itself and hoping he could garner support for a coup.

 

[Tipp blue]

Prigozhin the man who was responsible for executing the war in a very violent and bloody manner.

Frustrated in fact with the slow pace of it.

This patriot Cheered and celebrated on his march for his accomplishments in enlarging the Russian state.

Unopposed only as Putin didn’t want bloodshed on the streets. Unopposed also because Putin knew he had nothing to fear from him.

Yes damning evidence against the pro war camp….I don’t think so.

His crime - and it was a crime - was disillusionment with the way the war was being run not necessarily the war itself and hoping he could garner support for a coup.

Lol didn't stop Putin skipping town on his private jet and turning red square into a military fortress.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The bloodshed will continue when the Russians open up the death camps. That’s what will happen if Ukraine surrenders.

You’ll probably welcome that.

I welcome no such thing. But Death camps? For what exactly?

Armed attacks on a mass scale ? I have no doubt these people would be subject to prison and death sentences, yes.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Lol didn't stop Putin skipping town on his private jet and turning red square into a military fortress.

You hold on to that tidbit mate and hopefully it will make you sleep better at night

 

[roydo]

I welcome no such thing. But Death camps? For what exactly?

Armed attacks on a mass scale ? I have no doubt these people would be subject to prison and death sentences, yes.

Russia to win this by total subjugation of Ukraine

 

[Kev The Rat]

Yes?

Subjugation doesn’t have to mean putting everyone to death

It means total surrender and a non-hostile to Russia government installed or more likely total integration into Russia.

The Belarus option might have been one possibility but unfortunately that seems a bit slim now.

 

[davek]

Is there any Russian alive that hasnt publicly supported the war?

Even that divvy from the BBC Steve Rosenberg accepts that Russians overwhelmingly back Putin - putting it down to propaganda.

 

[roydo]

Yes?

Subjugation doesn’t have to mean putting everyone to death

It means total surrender and a non-hostile to Russia government installed or more likely total integration into Russia.

The Belarus option might have been one possibility but unfortunately that seems a bit slim now.

subjection
/səbˈdʒɛkʃn/
noun
the action of subjecting a country or person to one's control

So in one way you are correct. In another, you a deluded fool.

 

[Kev The Rat]

subjection
/səbˈdʒɛkʃn/
noun
the action of subjecting a country or person to one's control

So in one way you are correct. In another, you a deluded fool.

It less deluded than those - presumably you included - that believe Russia are going to either leave voluntarily or be forced out by military pressure.

Every day that goes by weakens either of those already very slim possibilities.

 

[larrygobfiend]

I welcome no such thing. But Death camps? For what exactly?

Armed attacks on a mass scale ? I have no doubt these people would be subject to prison and death sentences, yes.

You can be jailed in Russia for calling Putin a tit. Just imagine what they’ll do to Ukrainian soldiers and their families. Rape, torture, execution.

You’ve basically said you’re fine with that.

 

[Kev The Rat]

You can be jailed in Russia for calling Putin a tit. Just imagine what they’ll do to Ukrainian soldiers and their families. Rape, torture, execution.

You’ve basically said you’re fine with that.

I’m not fine with it but clearly there will be some unpleasant consequences in the aftermath.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I’m not fine with it but clearly there will be some unpleasant consequences in the aftermath.

Unpleasant! You’d have multiple Srebrenica’s. Ethnic cleansing, genocide. Are you comfortable with that?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Unpleasant! You’d have multiple Srebninica’s. Ethnic cleansing, genocide. Are you comfortable with that?

Some difficult choices are going to have to be made. Fight on and face prolonged suffering for, in my view, no gain whatsoever. Or take the consequences of defeat and at least retain some semblance of a functioning state.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Some difficult choices are going to have to be made. Fight on and face prolonged suffering for, in my view, no gain whatsoever. Or take the consequences of defeat and at least retain some semblance of a functioning state.

Answer the question. You’ve already said that you believe Russia should subjugate Ukraine

The implications of subjugation are rape, torture, execution, ethnic cleansing and genocide. So I’ll ask you again

Are you comfortable with this?