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[davek]

that last bit is daft dave, you can’t say he should never be supported- they can be criticised, but then can be supported too

I disagree.

It's entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn their leadership as inadequate and even dodgy.

Plenty of Ukrainians don't see Zelensky as a hero. If they get their chance of an election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Perhaps not now as results today if believed shows they are not holding the line in the South. Crimea is in total play.

Absolute nonsense

 

[Kev The Rat]

I disagree.

It's entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn their leadership as inadequate and even dodgy.

Plenty of Ukrainians don't see Zelensky as a hero. If they get their chance of an election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

Like you say though the elections will be cancelled

The die was cast long ago

I was hoping the Ukrainians would run out of willing suicide victims but it seems not to be the case

The only option is a Russian comprehensive win but it requires huge escalation which is simply too risky

We will still be having more or less the same discussion in 24 months time.

Trump won’t save anyone

 

[davek]

Here's yet another example of the failing Ukrainian leadership: a meeting between Lula and Zelensky an hour or so ago...from the Guardian:

'Lula’s refusal to take sides in the war has irked some western governments and meant his relationship with Zelenskiy has been an uneasy one.
But on Wednesday, Ukrainian and Brazilian diplomats described the meeting on the sidelines of the UN general assembly in New York as relaxed and productive. A portrait of the two leaders suggested a distinctly stiff atmosphere. But Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, insisted the “ice-breaking” encounter had been “very warm and honest”. In a slip of the tongue, Kuleba called Lula “President Putin”. Brazil’s foreign minister, Mauro Vieria, said the pair had enjoyed a long and friendly discussion.'

If anyone seriously believes that was a slip of the tongue and not another 'comical' statement from that clown Kuleba they need their heads feeling.

This lot are letting their country down BADLY.

 

[Tipp blue]

thats sounds like a statement of final settlement to me.....

Nope its an ultimatum.. "we are not selling your grain in our country and there'll be no more weapons until you shut up about it".
Ukraine have already announced theat they will open dialogue with Poland over the situation.
I'd bet my house that weapons supply will continue from Poland.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Like you say though the elections will be cancelled

The die was cast long ago

I was hoping the Ukrainians would run out of willing suicide victims but it seems not to be the case

The only option is a Russian comprehensive win but it requires huge escalation which is simply too risky

We will still be having more or less the same discussion in 24 months time.

Trump won’t save anyone

Sucking off a mass murdering child rapist, your mum must be proud

 

[davek]

Like you say though the elections will be cancelled

The die was cast long ago

I was hoping the Ukrainians would run out of willing suicide victims but it seems not to be the case

The only option is a Russian comprehensive win but it requires huge escalation which is simply too risky

We will still be having more or less the same discussion in 24 months time.

Trump won’t save anyone

Loads are voting with their feet mate: literally. Getting out of the country or into hiding rather than be conscripted or be shanghaied off the streets to go into the army.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I disagree.

It's entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn their leadership as inadequate and even dodgy.

Plenty of Ukrainians don't see Zelensky as a hero. If they get their chance of an election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

It is also entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn the Russian leadership as inadequate and most defeinetely dodgy and criminal.

Plenty of Russians don't see Putin as a hero. If they had a chance of an unrigged election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russians still trying to escape call up are now being targetted by new laws to stop the mass legging it. They must be running out of convicts.

Russia plans crackdown on men avoiding the draft

A new online system means anyone who receives a military summons will be banned from leaving the country

www.opendemocracy.net

'Leave As Soon As Possible': New Conscription Law Raises Fresh Fears Of Mobilization At Home And Abroad

More than seven months after the first mobilization drive, anxiety is rising over speculation of a second wave and Russians looking to avoid getting caught up in the fight of Ukraine at home – and abroad -- are facing a new set of obstacles.

www.rferl.org

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/24/putin-russia-military-draft-order-exodus

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Here's yet another example of the failing Ukrainian leadership: a meeting between Lula and Zelensky an hour or so ago...from the Guardian:

'Lula’s refusal to take sides in the war has irked some western governments and meant his relationship with Zelenskiy has been an uneasy one.
But on Wednesday, Ukrainian and Brazilian diplomats described the meeting on the sidelines of the UN general assembly in New York as relaxed and productive. A portrait of the two leaders suggested a distinctly stiff atmosphere. But Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, insisted the “ice-breaking” encounter had been “very warm and honest”. In a slip of the tongue, Kuleba called Lula “President Putin”. Brazil’s foreign minister, Mauro Vieria, said the pair had enjoyed a long and friendly discussion.'

If anyone seriously believes that was a slip of the tongue and not another 'comical' statement from that clown Kuleba they need their heads feeling.

This lot are letting their country down BADLY.

LOL - how is that "letting their country down"??? A slip of the tongue ffs

You are desperate, D-man

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

But Putin is still focused upon sending the minorities from the empires colonies to the meat grinder. I suppose he doesn't want to upset the muscovites.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I disagree.

It's entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn their leadership as inadequate and even dodgy.

Plenty of Ukrainians don't see Zelensky as a hero. If they get their chance of an election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

LOL if you honestly think they will not vote for big Z next time around. Wishful thinking for your sort.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Loads are voting with their feet mate: literally. Getting out of the country or into hiding rather than be conscripted or be shanghaied off the streets to go into the army.

Because they were attacked by your man. Ironically, loads of Ruskies also doing one across the border.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

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[Kev The Rat]

It is also entirely possible to support the Ukrainian people but to condemn the Russian leadership as inadequate and most defeinetely dodgy and criminal.

Plenty of Russians don't see Putin as a hero. If they had a chance of an unrigged election millions next March will vote to get shut of him.

Geniunely he has a lot of popular support, much more than any western leader.

your accusations of riggery altering the actual outcome is just wishful thinking.