Current Affairs Ukraine

[Noisy noise annoys]

Putin is responsible and the Russians need to be out of the territory they seized

How much more plain can I get.

The only thing to discuss is how we reach that point. But you and Spadger are immovable on any peace deal, and I find that absurd and I find it disturbing as tens more thousands of lives will be lost without a peace deal.

This isn't a computer game. Real lives - real husbands and sons - are getting killed on an industrial scale here.

You very rarely call out Russia in this, constantly at Zelenskiy though - very strange.

I am 100% behind peace, obviously, but not at Ukraines cost It has to be at their terms. This fantasy that you and Kev have that they should just hand over their lands, shake hands and move on his laughable (if it wasnt so tragic).

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Like I`ve said before, it`s not even subtle anymore, as is his love in with Kev the Cockroach.

lol

 

[dublinbluenose]

We're weeks away from that happening. Probably a fortnight or so. There's virtually no chance of Tomak being reached.

Overall though, the Ukrainian people face another autumn and winter of power cuts and missile pounding and life is bleak for them...and so many have got and will be getting terrible news from the frontline about the loss of their men.

As I said, all things change. Nato want this to go on and on. The blood curdling Stoltenberg stated yesterday this will go on for years. That suits him, but does it suit Ukrainians. There's already loss of politcal support for Zelensky there and that will continue to haemorrhage. The American appetite for this is dwindling. But the Russians, as you say, are all in on this so wont be willingly leaving Ukraine anytime soon.

Something has to give over the winter.

ATACMS - thats what has to change this autumn/winter

Tomak wont be taken, there is no point, it has no strategic advantage. However when they get that far the black sea fleet is in range of GLMRS That'll be how Crimea is cut off from resupply.

ATACMS will make that easier.

 

[davek]

I watched it.

Unlike your mate, the West can`t make their own rules up as they go along and have to abide by the laws relating to banking / money laundering and the confiscation of goods off Putins money launderers. Which is why it`s not so straightforward as you`re trying to make out.

No one is saying it's straightforard. The point of the peice is that it's all well and good boasting about sanctions but it's another thing seizing Russian oligarch goods. That was the Ukrainians frustration in that piece: they want the cash off seizing them and selling them.

 

[davek]

lol

I honestly dont know how you and others are getting away with calling other posters nazis and cockroaches. It's not something I associate with GOT.

It's outrageous imo.

 

[davek]

You very rarely call out Russia in this, constantly at Zelenskiy though - very strange.

I am 100% behind peace, obviously, but not at Ukraines cost It has to be at their terms. This fantasy that you and Kev have that they should just hand over their lands, shake hands and move on his laughable (if it wasnt so tragic).

Kev and I have different views but you seem to want to bundle up any pov that doesn't back 100% the continuation of this catastrophic loss of life and present it as one.

That's not meant to throw Kev under the bus btw. I'm just stating there has to be some reflection on the nuances of this war and a more polite discussion of it amongst us all.

Can we try that...

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I honestly dont know how you and others are getting away with calling other posters nazis and cockroaches. It's not something I associate with GOT.

It's outrageous imo.

I have not said either. Again, you happy to back ( at least not launch scathing attacks daily like you do on Zelenskiy) a mass murderer but offended by someone being called a cockroach.

100% not something I would expect to see from you

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Kev and I have different views but you seem to want to bundle up any pov that doesn't back 100% the continuation of this catastrophic loss of life and present it as one.

That's not meant to throw Kev under the bus btw. I'm just stating there has to be some reflection on the nuances of this war and a more polite discussion of it amongst us all.

Can we try that...

Absolutely, however, your comments are almost entirely attacking Ukraine/their leadership and that has increased of late. They are not perfect but there is only one real cause of this "catastrophic loss of life" and you rarely mention them, instead choosing to suggest that the ukes should roll over. They have been thrown in to an unjust war and, rightfully are defending their lands as I like to think would most of us.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Putin gives biggest hint yet at staggering number of Russians he's sent to die​

Vladimir Putin has ordered almost a quarter of a million certificates for Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine.

Some 230,000 certificates have been made for the families of dead soldiers, according to a tender by the Russian government, reported Verstka media outlet.

This gives the closest indication of how many Russian soldiers have been killed, as the Kremlin only publicly acknowledges the deaths of 6,000.

The certificates are distributed to widows and the children of soldiers.

Another 757,305 certificates were ordered for surviving ‘combat veterans’, putting the total figure of Russian soldiers deployed at nearly one million.

‘The numbers may indirectly indicate the approximate scale of the Russian group participating in the battles and losses,’ stated Verstka.

Ukraine claims more than 270,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the war.

At a state awards ceremony in August, Putin was seen with Angelina Ivanov, widow of slain Colonel Denis Ivanov, 41, and the couple’s two children.

He also met the widow of slain Guard Captain Roman Vorobyov.

Ukraine has claimed this week that more than 270,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in a war triggered by Putin’s desire to invade his neighbouring country.

Two independent media outlets have carried out in-depth research and found the number of men to have died in the conflict is in fact around the 50,000 mark.

Kremlin officials have continually tried to ‘unsuccessfully hide’ the death count, according to experts analyzing the data.

Mediazona and Meduza have worked together with a data scientist from Germany’s Tubingen University to identify a more realistic reflection of the lives lost.

 

[davek]

Absolutely, however, your comments are almost entirely attacking Ukraine/their leadership and that has increased of late. They are not perfect but there is only one real cause of this "catastrophic loss of life" and you rarely mention them, instead choosing to suggest that the ukes should roll over. They have been thrown in to an unjust war and, rightfully are defending their lands as I like to think would most of us.

I'm not suggesting they roll over. I'm suggesting that a peace deal be struck. They've fought valiantly against a far bigger force but the reality is that it's likely not going to change much now. They have to have a political class strong enough to get off the hamster wheel that Nato have them running on for the good of their own population. That's why I attack Zelensky: he is not the person to do that - he's a puppet of the West.

 

[davek]

Ukrainian market tragedy may have been caused by errant missile fired by Ukraine

Evidence collected by New York Times suggests Russia may not have been responsible for strike

www.theguardian.com

If this is so, it's a tragedy rather than an act of aggression.

evidence collected and analysed by the New York Times suggests the strike was “the result of an Ukrainian air defence missile fired by a Buk launch system” that failed to hit its intended target and landed in the bustling heart of Kostiantynivka instead.

“Missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defence missile fired” it reported on Tuesday.

Security camera footage reviewed by the paper shows that “the missile flew into Kostiantynivka from the direction of Ukrainian-held territory, not from behind Russian lines”.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I'm not suggesting they roll over. I'm suggesting that a peace deal be struck. They've fought valiantly against a far bigger force but the reality is that it's likely not going to change much now. They have to have a political class strong enough to get off the hamster wheel that Nato have them running on for the good of their own population. That's why I attack Zelensky: he is not the person to do that - he's a puppet of the West.

Dave in all due respect Ukraine needs you as an ambassador. An aggressor attacks a country and then accepts peace because the other countries leader is corrupt, (takes one to know one doesn't it) and he wants him to be put down. It will never happen. Do you think Hitler in his own perception of strength would relent. No chance. this will continue with both Ukraine and Russia so much weaker. Massive loss of life and internal economic problems for both nations. Cuba is now whining on massive loss of life of their contribution for Russia.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I'm not suggesting they roll over. I'm suggesting that a peace deal be struck. They've fought valiantly against a far bigger force but the reality is that it's likely not going to change much now. They have to have a political class strong enough to get off the hamster wheel that Nato have them running on for the good of their own population. That's why I attack Zelensky: he is not the person to do that - he's a puppet of the West.

Are you suggesting Putin IS that man? He was always willing to talk peace? IMO, he was headed for Kiev, got a whacking, retreated and may now be willing to talk to save face. I would not trust him after any deal was struck though.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

British military vehicles will soon come with high-energy laser weapons capable of zapping threats in all weathers.

Defence company Raytheon UK has announced the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is set to receive the UK’s first laser weapon system in October, which will be integrated onto a Wolfhound military vehicle.

The system is said to offer a nearly infinite number of shots and precision accuracy with very low collateral damage, making it an affordable alternative to traditional munitions.

Designed to stop aerial threats such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), the 15-kilowatt laser is the latest development in the MoD’s Land Demonstrator programme.

Raytheon UK said the high-energy laser weapon system has performed as designed in multiple field tests, including in difficult weather conditions with extreme heat, cold, rain, sleet and snow.



During four days of live-fire exercises earlier this year in the US, the system successfully acquired, tracked, targeted and destroyed dozens of drone targets in short-range attack, swarm attack and long-range threat scenarios.

The company said it is building on the success of US investment, where a total of eight high-energy laser weapons have been delivered to the US military. The systems have defeated more than 400 targets over 25,000 operational hours.

‘The arrival of this transformative technology is an important milestone in our collaboration with the MoD on using directed energy to address a variety of threats, from drones and UAVs to more complex missile systems,’ said Julie Finlayson-Odell, managing director of weapons and sensors at Raytheon UK.

The system is described as compact, portable, and can be installed on a variety of platforms, with the ability to connect to other air defence systems.

‘With deep, rechargeable magazine and minimal logistics, this laser weapon is an affordable and viable option to protect military and critical infrastructure, and rapidly defeat threats,’ said Raytheon UK.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

In fact, the absolute state of your post. Rather than acknowledging that your man is causing suffering like that shown above, you use it as a perverse way to criticise others.

As said previously, he is the Goebbels of GOT. His disgusting spin and warmongering, fascist imperialistic tendencies have no place at Everton FC. I feel this thread will have opened many a posters eyes to the nature of a couple of unsavoury posters.