Current Affairs Ukraine

[davids]

Witness he had to take his elite force that protected him to the fight in Ukraine because Wagner is supposedly dismantled and not a threat. I have heard to the contrary that they were a mini country in themselves and were loyal to their leader that has been assassinated so take that as an item to discuss in the near future.
Why would he remotely send this elite group unless he finally has been told the truth about what is taking place in Southern Ukraine. Time after time he has been overconfident about his troops and what his staffers have been lying to him.

His teeth have been pulled militarily so the idea that it was Ukraine first the rest of Eastern Europe next has been put firmly to bed. Time to look for at least a ceasefire.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

His teeth have been pulled militarily so the idea that it was Ukraine first the rest of Eastern Europe next has been put firmly to bed. Time to look for at least a ceasefire.

Again, he relies on what his Field Generals are telling him. They have Kev snowballed also and all his people too. Disinformation is rampant all around on both sides. Russia is a one trick pony that can unleash Armagedón at a moment's notice, but their conventional forces are archaic.

 

[ramacca]

I think in reality that is the case already ,the US are acting as Europe's arms dealer but strongly doubt they would "go to war" in its defence as they see the EU trading block as an economic rival.

As far as I can see, the US's objectives were 1) damage Germany economically and hence the EU as a rival trading bloc and 2) attempt to crush and weaken Russia. They've achieved the first of their objectives but failed miserably with the second. Regarding Europe, the Americans have always gone for the doctrine of, keep the Russians out, the Germans down and the Yanks in.

 

[Kev The Rat]

As far as I can see, the US's objectives were 1) damage Germany economically and hence the EU as a rival trading bloc and 2) attempt to crush and weaken Russia. They've achieved the first of their objectives but failed miserably with the second. Regarding Europe, the Americans have always gone for the doctrine of, keep the Russians out, the Germans down and the Yanks in.

Right and I just can’t understand why the Germans walked directly into economic disaster at the demand of the Americans.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

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Elite forces introduced into the fray.

 

[ramacca]

Right and I just can’t understand why the Germans walked directly into economic disaster at the demand of the Americans.

Maybe, because at this moment in time, the German government doesn't have the capabilities, or the inclinations to stand up to the US. As they know what will happen to a country and its economy if they decide to do something the US disagrees with e.g. Nord stream. This may well change when the full effects of the economy c downturn gains more momentum.

Or it could be that the present actors in charge are hell bent on doing in a fossil fuel producing nation, hence their acceptance of Nord stream's demise. A Green agenda even if it leads to economic slump.

Or it's a combination of those two things and other reasons. Like allowing unelected bureaucrats to have too much say and pulling Europe into a quagmire for their own reasons.
But what is clear is the German economy is suffering and as such so will the EU. German industry is/has become uncompetitive and firms will/are closing down and unemployment will rise. Having an effect on the rest of Europe.

 

[davek]

'Dying by the dozens every day' - Ukraine losses climb

Ukraine will not disclose its death count, but the BBC’s Quentin Sommerville witnesses the mounting toll.

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We know that the US/NATO dont care about Ukrainian lives, but at least the horrendous level of casualties are now being discussed.

Shocking losses the Ukrainian military have suffered. Two-fifths of their armed forces either dead or injured.
They're outragous those figures. That clown Zelensky talks abour the Russians and meat grinders, but FFS that is madness.

 

[davek]

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Elite forces introduced into the fray.

Wasn't that always going to happen - shuffling about Russian units between Kherson and places like Zaporizhzhia and Bakhmut?

It's a big front line and redeploying mobile elite units wasted elsewhere to the pressure points seems standard?

No idea, like. I have zero military experience. But that just sounds like common sense.

 

[peteblue]

MSN

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Elite forces introduced into the fray.

They’ve run out of convicts….

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Shocking losses the Ukrainian military have suffered. Two-fifths of their armed forces either dead or injured.
They're outragous those figures. That clown Zelensky talks abour the Russians and meat grinders, but FFS that is madness.

What you want them to do Dave, let Russia take anything they want? These people giving up their lives to defend their homeland against a tyrannical leader are some of the bravest on the planet.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Maybe, because at this moment in time, the German government doesn't have the capabilities, or the inclinations to stand up to the US. As they know what will happen to a country and its economy if they decide to do something the US disagrees with e.g. Nord stream. This may well change when the full effects of the economy c downturn gains more momentum.

Or it could be that the present actors in charge are hell bent on doing in a fossil fuel producing nation, hence their acceptance of Nord stream's demise. A Green agenda even if it leads to economic slump.

Or it's a combination of those two things and other reasons. Like allowing unelected bureaucrats to have too much say and pulling Europe into a quagmire for their own reasons.
But what is clear is the German economy is suffering and as such so will the EU. German industry is/has become uncompetitive and firms will/are closing down and unemployment will rise. Having an effect on the rest of Europe.

You can watch in real time as America tries to float its debt like a desperate junkie, while it pressurizes 'allies' and coerces friends, burning through any remaining goodwill faster than Zelensky does cocaine. It isn't going to end well.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

You can watch in real time as America tries to float its debt like a desperate junkie, while it pressurizes 'allies' and coerces friends, burning through any remaining goodwill faster than Zelensky does cocaine. It isn't going to end well.

Are desperate junkies known to float sovereign debt?

 

[davek]

What you want them to do Dave, let Russia take anything they want? These people giving up their lives to defend their homeland against a tyrannical leader are some of the bravest on the planet.

I want their clown shoes leader - swanning about in battle fatigues but facing no battles - to cut short the bloodshed his people are facing. There must be about 60,000 - 70,000 military dead by now and thousands more civilians. He needs to go now for what they will inevitably have to do anyway: peace negotiations.

Then reconstruction can begin.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

I want their clown shoes leader - swanning about in battle fatigues but facing no battles - to cut short the bloodshed his people are facing. There must be about 60,000 - 70,000 military dead by now and thousands more civilians. He needs to go now for what they will inevitably have to do anyway: peace negotiations.

Then reconstruction can begin.

There is one guy who could have stopped this before it started by, you know, not invading a sovereign nation on no pretext whatsoever

 

[Yarrgh]

I want their clown shoes leader - swanning about in battle fatigues but facing no battles - to cut short the bloodshed his people are facing. There must be about 60,000 - 70,000 military dead by now and thousands more civilians. He needs to go now for what they will inevitably have to do anyway: peace negotiations.

Then reconstruction can begin.

On one hand I fully agree. The waste of life is abhorrent. The east of Ukraine is naturally aligned to Russia and Crimea was all but name part of Russia up to its annexation. However, no matter what interference from outside or what reasons Russia have, Ukraine has every right to fight to retrieve its lands and people no matter what the cost.

It's an absolute catastrophe of a situation. To negotiate peace from here will require a lot of compromise from all sides. I still predict an independent Donbass (Russia Ln vassel state), Russian Crimea and huge reparation bill to Ukraine (sadly then siphoned off to the west to pay for wartime supplies and armaments and rebuilding). Hopefully, Ukraine will come out of this stronger. Can't see NATO membership being acceptable but getting it in the EU and prosperous would probably be more corrosive to the Putin regime than any NATO membership.

Also Russia needs to be bought back into the fold (as it should have been post Soviet Union breakup were it wasn't supported and conditions for the current mafia style government were generated) to ensure that this doesn't happen again- and that's a hard sell if Putin is around or a very close crony in charge. This also needs doing before China sucks Russia completely into its orbit otherwise, the west will have some limitations the ability to resist the Chinese expansion into the South China Sea (nit even arguing the rights and wrongs of that).

Plus if Russia comes back into the fold, the natural resources will reduce inflationary pressures and food supplies to highly volatile areas and reduce risk of famine, immigration, etc. in Africa/ Middle East. At some point western governments will become open to this before they face unacceptable decline in their countries.

Is the sacrificing of Ukrainian land acceptable? Ever moreso I believe. If Ukraine has lost 20% of its armed forces, then there's a breaking point being reached. Russia can keep this up indefinitely I'm afraid.

It's a mess.