Current Affairs Ukraine

[stipe]

This independence stuff are just fantasies, ethnic Russians are huge majority in the country, even in likes of Siberia and Far East. Thats like saying native Americans are preparing for uprising.

What Prigozhin is doing is about power and megalomania, not about some ethic strife. Not to mention ethnic people (Buryats, Tuvans, Dagestani etc...) are over represented in Russian army, even Shoigu himself is not a ethnic Russian

 

[Prevenger17]

It really is mad to watch

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142

 

[tsubaki]

All according to plan @tsubaki?

clearly not

 

[stipe]

I don't think it will come to any big shooting war between regulars and Wagnerites, and if this psychopath take over so easily its gonna be worse for Ukraine considering his past actions.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

China will be looking at the Siberian oil fields and thinking about protecting all their ethnic brothers and sisters.

 

[EFCthechosenone]

Will the war be over if they capture Kremlin? Wagner CEO is against the war in its essence or just Putin leading the war?

 

[mmmmsnouts]

This has the scent of a black ops CIA intervention written all over it. Wagner has possibly done some sort of cash deal with the USA and agreed once the coup is complete not to have any Govt involvement moving forward. If he did become the new tsar its squeaky bum time as the guy is psychotic!

Prigohzin is wanted by the FBI for using his troll farms to help install Trump so I imagine the US is not exactly helping him out here

 

[Mrk]

Will the war be over if they capture Kremlin? Wagner CEO is against the war in its essence or just Putin leading the war?

Sadly we have no idea what their motivations are right now. Some people hypothesise that he wants Russia to conduct a more aggressive all-out war against Ukraine, and others suggest he's just the face of an internal coup aimed at ending the war and normalising relations with the west.

 

[stipe]

Will the war be over if they capture Kremlin? Wagner CEO is against the war in its essence or just Putin leading the war?

His beef (until today at least) was against leading generals and the way how war was conducted, meaning he wanted full mobilization, country to switch to war footing and indiscriminate bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

Basically according to Prigozhin (Wagner leader), Putin and his leading generals were too soft, he wants to go all in and not meek way like until now.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So can we say Putin doesn't want to use the air force against the column moving North or has he effectively lost control of the armed services who have downed tools?

 

[davids]

Twenty-five thousand under arms is the claimed number. Looking at the photos of what Putin is setting up around Moscow and where, he is showing all of two Risk tokens. Prigozhin has to have kept some of it out of the fight, to hold Rostov and anything else he takes moving north. It would be plenty, to knock over what Putin is showing.


My experience is in the conflict theory side of international relations, so I had to pick up a fair amount of that along the way to function. Hard to answer questions if you don't understand the game you discuss. Even harder to make predictions, if you just understand the political process side of it.

And the military police force under arms in Russia numbers? Plus air force etc? A few more than 25k I'd imagine.

 

[EFCthechosenone]

His beef (until today at least) was against leading generals and the way how war was conducted, meaning he wanted full mobilization, country to switch to war footing and indiscriminate bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

Basically according to Prigozhin (Wagner leader), Putin and his leading generals were too soft, he wants to go all in and not meek way like until now.

But yesterday he was saying Nazi thing is a BS and Ukies weren't gonna attack Crimea back in February 2022

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It really is mad to watch

As if it wasn’t mad enough already

 

[davids]

So can we say Putin doesn't want to use the air force against the column moving North or has he effectively lost control of the armed services who have downed tools?

It's being shown that they are being attacked by air as we speak.