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[Spadge Vernacular]

A very smart move indeed. Puts Xi right on the spot as a Security Council member, and especially the one proposing an end to fighting…very clever move…..

Spot on Pete. They need to really crank the pressure on this, keep the spotlight on him, let the world see him for who he is.

 

[peteblue]

er - before congratulating this masterful chess move or whatever, please note that Zelensky has been asking Xi for a phone call throughout the past year and not had one

And before you try to do him down, this is a public invitation, already accepted by 3/5 permanent SC countries, Xi will almost certainly also turn it down but it will undermine China’s effort to appear as an honest broker…..

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

And before you try to do him down, this is a public invitation, already accepted by 3/5 permanent SC countries, Xi will almost certainly also turn it down but it will undermine China’s effort to appear as an honest broker…..

Spot on Pete. Totally called Xi out on this one. Now let’s see how serious he really is about his so-called peace deal.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

China’s Rulers Show Their Hypocrisy On Ukraine - Above the Law

Russia offers imperialism even the CCP can love.

abovethelaw.com

 

[tsubaki]

And before you try to do him down, this is a public invitation, already accepted by 3/5 permanent SC countries, Xi will almost certainly also turn it down but it will undermine China’s effort to appear as an honest broker…..

Again pete - Xi has not had a phone call with Zelensky, despite repeated requests, in a year. Xi not visiting him either is going to do nothing to convince anyone of anything.

To suggest otherwise - that the rest of the world is going to suddenly have a lightbulb appear over the heads - is utter fantastical thinking.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[peteblue]

Again pete - Xi has not had a phone call with Zelensky, despite repeated requests, in a year. Xi not visiting him either is going to do nothing to convince anyone of anything.

To suggest otherwise - that the rest of the world is going to suddenly have a lightbulb appear over the heads - is utter fantastical thinking.

No one has suggested a ‘world’ lightbulb moment. I said it will undermine China’s effort to appear as an honest broker, and it will….

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Again pete - Xi has not had a phone call with Zelensky, despite repeated requests, in a year. Xi not visiting him either is going to do nothing to convince anyone of anything.

To suggest otherwise - that the rest of the world is going to suddenly have a lightbulb appear over the heads - is utter fantastical thinking.

How do you know who has and has not called Xi?

 

[Big Sams Undies]

No one has suggested a ‘world’ lightbulb moment. I said it will undermine China’s effort to appear as an honest broker, and it will….

I really don’t get what’s difficult to understand about it.

It’s simply a public bluff-call of an insidious individual (or state) who’s attempting to cast himself as a peacemaker.

 

[Glasshalffull]

er - before congratulating this masterful chess move or whatever, please note that Zelensky has been asking Xi for a phone call throughout the past year and not had one

Maybe Zelensky should take the old fashioned option of my childhood, and offer to reverse the charges.

 

[Yarrgh]

I hope Xi Jinping takes him up on his offer. Perhaps a ceasefire during his visit and potentially beyond. That could be arranged with his influence in Russia.

However I don't really think that Zelensky or his support in the west would be totally 100% behind any peace agreement found with China as the deal broker, but it might well be a peace that's kept and one that rehabilitate our relationship with Russia too - and in the long run that's what is needed to ensure this never happens again.

 

[Yarrgh]

I really don’t get what’s difficult to understand about it.

It’s simply a public bluff-call of an insidious individual (or state) who’s attempting to cast himself as a peacemaker.

In a nutshell yes.

What about China calls for Zelensky and Putin (or their represeations) to come together in a neutral state, perhaps with neutral UN observers. That would be a bluff call that might move things on.

Getting China to a negotiating chamber as facilitator might also help with easing tensions over in the east with Taiwan.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Peace with Russia just won't work imo. Putin has seen all his neighbouring countries turn on him and arm the Ukes, he has seen his army embarrassed and he has the effects of sanctions, long term, to deal with.

There is no way he just agress a truce (some elements of defeat) and we all make friends.

 

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[EFCthechosenone]

In Russia’s Biggest Cities, Ukraine War Fades to Background Noise

Bars are filled to the brim, film and jazz festivals are sold out and Moscow’s police officers are busier handing out fines for public drinking than putting down dissent.

www.wsj.com