Current Affairs Ukraine

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[Mutzo Nutzo]

Admittedly with an amateur eye and without real knowledge of what is happening on the ground, this is a move that is more sensible if you want to end up with drawing a line on a map as to whose this side is and whose that side is. It is also fairly obviously more defensible.

Yup I agree, however losing Kherson is a massive blow for Putin. Alongside Mariupol it was the jewel in his invasion crown.

So yes, it looks like the winter defensive lines are drawn now unless Ukraine captures Svatove and Kreminna. This will leave the entire Luhansk Oblast open. If that happens then Putin will have to divert troops North to try and hold onto ground leaving Donetsk and the south vulnerable.

Interesting to note that the US has just supplied Ukraine with some 60 Riverine assault craft at the specific request of the Ukes.

I wonder what they could be for?

 

[The binman chronicles]

It's not nice to wish anyone ill but I'd gladly see all of those slow dipped into vat of boiling custard.

 

[Yarrgh]

I'm not at all seeking to minimise the role of other countries, especially not the UK, in seeing off Hitler, mate. I was making the point that without Russia's ability to sustain millions of casualties, civilian and military, and the fact that they inflicted eye-watering casualties on Russian land forces, the war in Europe couldn't have been won, or certainly not for many, many, more years. Russians therefore did not 'run away'. Equally importantly, the UK kept the war against Hitler going virtually single handedly, and if my parents and their generation had folded then, then the war would have been over before the US got started, and Germany and Russia turned on each other.

I've been reminded by someone else that, in Ukraine, the conduct of the Russian forces has been, even by the dodgy standards found in war, often dreadful both towards prisoners and civilians. Maybe that's due to the deliberate recruitment of scum in sime cases, and the poor training of others. Some of these fellas do, indeed, seem inclined to run away. I guess that's either because they don't want to answer for what they've done, or have no motivation to get killed in some foreign country where they've no place being.

I'll finish by just repeating my point that the Ukraine war is a Putin and his acolytes thing, and neither he nor some of the troops involved are representative of Russians in general - certainly not Russians privileged to know what's actually going on.

The average Russian in the street will need to be confronted with what's happening in their name in Ukraine. Just as Germany was made to realise what horrors that Nazi Germany had committed. Otherwise we're doomed to see this be eventually repeated.

Also part of this, as it was for post war Germany, will be the rehabilitation of Russia into the world community.

Unfortunately I don't think any of this will happen. Whatever the outcome this can rumble on in the background for years.

 

[PeregrineT]

I'll finish by just repeating my point that the Ukraine war is a Putin and his acolytes thing, and neither he nor some of the troops involved are representative of Russians in general - certainly not Russians privileged to know what's actually going on.

As long as Russians allow their government to kill and rape hundreds of thousands of innocent people, they are very representative of Russians in general. Russians have taken the attitude of "better you than me" and they will be judged harshly for a long time for it.

A woman is murdered in Iran and the country is up in revolt, with teenagers putting their lives on the line to protest against one of the most brutal regimes in the world.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I hope the leaders who do this face some sort of justice along with those that abuse Ukrainians

 

[larrygobfiend]

I hope the leaders who do this face some sort of justice along with those that abuse Ukrainians

I can’t imagine being put into that kind of situation

 

[devogue]

Kherson front completely finished. 40+ settlements freed already and special forces already at the city outskirts. Hard to keep up with all the news coming in on twitter and TG.

 

[Big Sams Undies]

The most catastrophic (major) invasion since the German attack on the Soviet Union in WWII?

- Managed to seize one major city (which is about to be reclaimed by the Ukes).

- Lost tens of thousands of men, billions in equipment, made their armed forces an utter laughing stock.

- Call up hundreds of thousands of piss-can tramps from the far flung reaches of Russia to use as cannon fodder.

- Trashed their reputation as a military power and shown their own hardware to be utterly appalling (and as a result I’d expect exports to be badly affected).

- Had to buy second rate [Poor language removed] from other pariahs like Iran and North Korea just to be able to keep going.

- United the evil West to levels not seen in the last 50 plus years.

- Plunged the country into a deep recession with a mass exodus of foreign investors.

- Shown their politicians to be utter shitehawk cowards and that’s not to mention the despot bellend who caused it all.

- Forced Europe source alternate fossil fuel suppliers and have to offer it to the likes of the Chinese and Indians for dirt cheap just to shift it.

- Made a cult hero out of Zelensky and turned Ukraine into a country that’s admired and respected for their efforts in the face of such atrocities.

There’s not a single metric that can be used as an indicator of any kind of success in all of this utter shambles.

The Russian people have shown themselves, by and large, to be a nation of utter cowards IMO for their complicity by failing to make any attempt at a stand or protest as per Iran etc.

 

[summerisle]

I'm not at all seeking to minimise the role of other countries, especially not the UK, in seeing off Hitler, mate. I was making the point that without Russia's ability to sustain millions of casualties, civilian and military, and the fact that they inflicted eye-watering casualties on Russian land forces, the war in Europe couldn't have been won, or certainly not for many, many, more years. Russians therefore did not 'run away'. Equally importantly, the UK kept the war against Hitler going virtually single handedly, and if my parents and their generation had folded then, then the war would have been over before the US got started, and Germany and Russia turned on each other.

I've been reminded by someone else that, in Ukraine, the conduct of the Russian forces has been, even by the dodgy standards found in war, often dreadful both towards prisoners and civilians. Maybe that's due to the deliberate recruitment of scum in sime cases, and the poor training of others. Some of these fellas do, indeed, seem inclined to run away. I guess that's either because they don't want to answer for what they've done, or have no motivation to get killed in some foreign country where they've no place being.

I'll finish by just repeating my point that the Ukraine war is a Putin and his acolytes thing, and neither he nor some of the troops involved are representative of Russians in general - certainly not Russians privileged to know what's actually going on.

It's often forgotten that 'we' didn't fight single handedly ; 15 million Empire and Commonwealth soldiers served during the war.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

The most catastrophic (major) invasion since the German attack on the Soviet Union in WWII?

- Managed to seize one major city (which is about to be reclaimed by the Ukes).

- Lost tens of thousands of men, billions in equipment, made their armed forces an utter laughing stock.

- Call up hundreds of thousands of piss-can tramps from the far flung reaches of Russia to use as cannon fodder.

- Trashed their reputation as a military power and shown their own hardware to be utterly appalling (and as a result I’d expect exports to be badly affected).

- Had to buy second rate [Poor language removed] from other pariahs like Iran and North Korea just to be able to keep going.

- United the evil West to levels not seen in the last 50 plus years.

- Plunged the country into a deep recession with a mass exodus of foreign investors.

- Shown their politicians to be utter shitehawk cowards and that’s not to mention the despot bellend who caused it all.

- Forced Europe source alternate fossil fuel suppliers and have to offer it to the likes of the Chinese and Indians for dirt cheap just to shift it.

- Made a cult hero out of Zelensky and turned Ukraine into a country that’s admired and respected for their efforts in the face of such atrocities.

There’s not a single metric that can be used as an indicator of any kind of success in all of this utter shambles.

The Russian people have shown themselves, by and large, to be a nation of utter cowards IMO for their complicity by failing to make any attempt at a stand or protest as per Iran etc.

Hollywood script written all over that.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Turning into a rout now on right bank of the Dnipro.

Pro Russian sources stating that they have between 18-22 thousand troops trying to get across the river.

Ukes now in Kherson suburbs and Russians falling back to Kherson harbour.

Rumours that the main crossing points are now under constant artillery strikes.

 

[Glasshalffull]

It's often forgotten that 'we' didn't fight single handedly ; 15 million Empire and Commonwealth soldiers served during the war.

I sorta knew of the Empire/Commonwealth contribution, but hadn't realised it was that many, or I'd have specifically acknowledged it, mate. Thanks from me, and on their behalf, for pointing it out.

 

[peteblue]

I sorta knew of the Empire/Commonwealth contribution, but hadn't realised it was that many, or I'd have specifically acknowledged it, mate. Thanks from me, and on their behalf, for pointing it out.

There wasn’t 15 million….

 

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